One thing's for sure, this team is going nowhere in the play-offs. If we win 2 games i'll be shocked. What a waste of time it was going after Kubina and Grossman, a band-aid over a knife wound.
I'm not sure I agree with this.
Its an extremely limited sample size of games that it took for you to come to this conclusion.
Grossman is a +1 in his first three games.
Kubina has broke even in his first two games.
How has Schenn looked defensively? I didn't see any of the past games, but saw that terrible defensive play on the highlights yesterday, where there was a 2-on-2 and instead of switching coverage to a different player when they crossed over, he pursued the first one, who was already covered by our defenseman, and leaving the other Oiler completely alone. They didn't score off that chance, but that Oiler did get the puck and was in clear on Bryz.
Could be.
One thing to consider about Schenn is that he's played for 7 different teams over the last 18 months. LA Kings, Manchester, World Juniors, Saskatoon, Brandon, Phantoms, Flyers. That's a lot of coaches and systems.
I do like Grossman. If he keeps up what he is doing, I can see him getting resigned and playing a bigger role on the team next year (maybe being the #4 guy). He can move the puck well, clears the net, and plays a solid defensive game. Kubina I think he is only here for this season.
That was supposed to say defensive rebuild (hence selling d-men right now...). Don't get too worked up.
As I said, I think Homer made the right decision to go after dmen that we can let walk and still rebuild... and still give us a far chance this year. Of course, at the expense of picks.
The first thing to consider is that the Flyers were out-performing expectations, especially offensively, for much of the first-half of the year. Now that they're coming back down to where they should be, people are mistaking it for the wheels coming off.
This.
I've been saying it for a long time now, but did anyone really expect us to be anything but mediocre coming into the season? When you trade off your best goal scorer and Selke caliber center you're not going to compete for the President's Trophy exactly.
One thing to consider about Schenn is that he's played for 7 different teams over the last 18 months. LA Kings, Manchester, World Juniors, Saskatoon, Brandon, Phantoms, Flyers. That's a lot of coaches and systems.
Yeah, I know, but that's why I asked, as I don't want to make an impression of how he plays defense in general based on that one play I saw.
I've been saying it for a long time now, but did anyone really expect us to be anything but mediocre coming into the season? When you trade off your best goal scorer and Selke caliber center you're not going to compete for the President's Trophy exactly.
I did. On paper (with Pronger), this team was better than last year's (IMO).
the biggest issue with this team is identity, this is supposed to be Pronger's team and when Pronger went down they picked up some of the slack from the loss of his play, but they can't replace his leadership and confidence that he brought them.
the biggest issue with this team is identity, this is supposed to be Pronger's team and when Pronger went down they picked up some of the slack from the loss of his play, but they can't replace his leadership and confidence that he brought them.
With Pronger's age, history, and offseason back surgery, this team should have been aware that life without Pronger was not only possible, but probable for a long period of time this year.
I agree with him. I liked this years team better than last years
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I blame Richards and Carter.
Richards for his poor leadership and Carter for never showing up when we need him.
Don't forget Leino and Carcillo either. Way too many stupid penalties for Carcillo, and I'm not even sure Leino's on the team...but I'm sure he'll show up for the playoffs
Its all Coburn's fault since he's the longest tenured Flyer. He must be traded.
Seriously though its a team loss. Its always something - lack of scoring (like being shut out against the Oilers), lack of defense and PK, lack of goaltending, or lack of proper coaching/staff. The team just can't play a full 60 minutes right now and addressing one area won't solve the other ones.
I still can't really complain because I expected the flyers (since we just went through a pretty major change) to finish just barely making the playoffs.
This does raise some flags for me though, is this system too high tempo and wearing everybody out by the time the 2nd half of the season comes around? And for the playoffs?
You thought they'd top 106 points and make it to at least the Conference Finals? I applaud your undying optimism, even if it is a bit crazy.
Ah, there's your problem there.
We didn't make the Conference Finals last year. We were swept by the Bruins in 2nd round, barely squeaking out a victory in the 1st over the Sabres. The entire 2nd half of the season was mediocre as can be. Coming into this year, JVR had a great playoff, Giroux was bound to breakout, Pronger was going to "supposedly" be healthy and we had just signed what we thought was a Vezina-caliber goaltender.
Also, we added some sand paper to the lineup with Talbot and Simmonds. Also, do I have to mention the legend Jaromir Jagr?? I don't see why it's such a joke to think that going into this year, we weren't better on paper than last.
One thing to consider about Schenn is that he's played for 7 different teams over the last 18 months. LA Kings, Manchester, World Juniors, Saskatoon, Brandon, Phantoms, Flyers. That's a lot of coaches and systems.
That's a no-no anywhere you go. Nobody coaches their players to do that.
Some of you blaming Lavy is quite amusing to me. We have the # 1 offense in the league, and doing it with quite a few Rookies sprinkled through out the line up. We lose our captain-stud defenseman, have had many starters out with concussion issues etc.....And our goal tending has been very inconsistent.I think our club and coaches have done a remarkable job finding their way through all of this......This team can play with any team in the league, and have as good a shot at the cup starting 6 or 7 rookies as any other club full of veterans....
We didn't make the Conference Finals last year. We were swept by the Bruins in 2nd round, barely squeaking out a victory in the 1st over the Sabres.
That's his point. In order to do better then last season's team did in the playoffs this team would of had to make the third round.
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The entire 2nd half of the season was mediocre as can be.
But was still pretty good overall.
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Coming into this year, JVR had a great playoff, Giroux was bound to breakout, Pronger was going to "supposedly" be healthy and we had just signed what we thought was a Vezina-caliber goaltender.
JVR and Giroux weren't sure things and everyone knew that. Pronger being healthy for the whole season was far, far from a sure thing. You also conveniently forgot to mention that we lost our best goal-scorer and a Selke caliber center, both of which were two of our three best offensive players.
Also, we were supposed to have a starter. Not sure about a Vezina caliber one though. That's probably stretching it. It's also not as if we didn't have a quality starter last season. Albeit the fact that he was a rookie, Bob played over 50 games and posted a .915 save percentage in the regular season. That's pretty decent.
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Also, we added some sand paper to the lineup with Talbot and Simmonds. Also, do I have to mention the legend Jaromir Jagr?? I don't see why it's such a joke to think that going into this year, we weren't better on paper than last.
You mean the 40 year old legend that hadn't played in the NHL in three years and wasn't even PPG in his last NHL season?
