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Leafs to show considerable interest in Dustin Brown and Steve Ott.

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02-24-2012, 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't move Schenn but I would easily do Franson + Frattin and even throw in a pick.

Schenn is not being moved unless we are getting a center back.
Agreed, if we are getting first line center, then schenn goes, if not, he stays.

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02-24-2012, 11:36 AM
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Agreed, if we are getting first line center, then schenn goes, if not, he stays.
How long are you willing to wait for someone to cough up a #1C for Schenn as a centrepiece?

I take the Schenn + Frattin for Brown deal. Brown is a signficant upgrade over anything that Frattin would do right now, and Schenn compensates the Kings for that forward downgrade. Then we can try and package MacArthur for help elsewhere. The net worth of this exchange allows Burke to add some serious skill and grit to our top 6.

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He's a straight-line, up-and-down, go-to-the-net, shoot-the-puck, run-over-people player.
Do you think that Burke would like that?

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02-24-2012, 11:38 AM
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Schenn for Brown would be terrible asset management. Brown has what, 2 years left on his deal? Then he goes unrestricted.

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02-24-2012, 11:39 AM
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Should just be a stickied thread called "LEAFS INTERESTED IN EVERY PLAYER as per Dreger,Lebrun and any Toronto reporter looking for hits"
Normally I'd agree with you, but given our current situation I think Burke will absolutely be looking at both.

Aulie + Frattin for Ott + 2nd?

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02-24-2012, 11:42 AM
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Not that I put too much stock in Dregers rumours but a young defenceman probably means a prospect. Holzer/Blacker/Aulie?

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Brown brings leadership qualities apart from his offensive production and physicality.
No, he really doesn't, which is why he's on the trading block.

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Holzer + Frattin + 1st?

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02-24-2012, 11:45 AM
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And I am saying it today

not even close
LOL. Look at you trying to act like you've got inside knowledge.

Stop act like you know what's going on between the GM's. Until you can prove that you have some inside knowledge, other people's opinion are just as valid as yours.

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When did I say that? Dustin Brown was in some pretty good company with the numbers that he put up. He's a lot better than MacArthur, and Schenn would have be going back for a deal to work. Frattin might become something, but Leaf fans are overrating our own players as usual.

Burke is going to have to give to get if he wants to add some forwards with skill and physicality to the Leafs top 6.
You're using the two statistics, pts and hits to show how good of a player Brown is. On that list, Ruutu has better stats.

If you're using statistics to prove his worth, a guy with better stats has to be worth more.

I'm not saying that's what you said, but that's what I took from the post as well. Just throwing out stats and saying this is why X is worth more without any other explanation suggests that.

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No, he really doesn't, which is why he's on the trading block.
I wonder why he was made captain in the first place.

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Aulie + MacArthur + Kulemin for Brown + <Salary Dump>

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Aulie + MacArthur + Kulemin for Brown + <Salary Dump>


no way leafs do this

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Schenn for Brown would be terrible asset management. Brown has what, 2 years left on his deal? Then he goes unrestricted.
Disagree. Schenn has 4 years left at $3.6, Brown has 2 years left at $3.175.

The Brown contract would actually expire at the same time as:

Phil Kessel, Dion Phaneuf, Jake Gardiner, James Reimer, Mike Komisarek, Mike Brown.

This positions the Leafs very well to re-align their roster, freeing up $23.2M cap space. And they get Dustin Brown in the prime years of his career just as they are starting to become a playoff team.

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How long are you willing to wait for someone to cough up a #1C for Schenn as a centrepiece?

I take the Schenn + Frattin for Brown deal. Brown is a signficant upgrade over anything that Frattin would do right now, and Schenn compensates the Kings for that forward downgrade. Then we can try and package MacArthur for help elsewhere. The net worth of this exchange allows Burke to add some serious skill and grit to our top 6.

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Do you think that Burke would like that?
People are blinded by the fact that we need a centerman and seem to forget we have many other holes to fill. A power forward type being one of them.

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How long are you willing to wait for someone to cough up a #1C for Schenn as a centrepiece?

I take the Schenn + Frattin for Brown deal. Brown is a signficant upgrade over anything that Frattin would do right now, and Schenn compensates the Kings for that forward downgrade. Then we can try and package MacArthur for help elsewhere. The net worth of this exchange allows Burke to add some serious skill and grit to our top 6.

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Do you think that Burke would like that?
Well then if no one is going to cough a first line center, then just wait and find the right offer. Yes we are need for a powerforward, but not at the price of an arm and a leg.

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Why are the kings even trying to get rid of Brown in the first place? I cant say I really understand. Are they that unhappy with him? I'm just confused.

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Why are the kings even trying to get rid of Brown in the first place? I cant say I really understand. Are they that unhappy with him? I'm just confused.
They're just looking to change things up, they think they can replace his scoring ability with whoever they get back in the trade. They want to mix up the chemistry, they're stale right now.

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Well then if no one is going to cough a first line center, then just wait and find the right offer. Yes we are need for a powerforward, but not at the price of an arm and a leg.
Given our overall lack of toughness within the top six, it's equally as important.

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Well then if no one is going to cough a first line center, then just wait and find the right offer. Yes we are need for a powerforward, but not at the price of an arm and a leg.
The answer is wait and find the right offer? We have won 1 of our last 8 games and have almost zero physicality in our top 6. We don't have any semblance of a cycle game, which is why we get hemmed in our own zone for long periods of time.

No one is looking to cough up a decent #1C for Luke Schenn right now. Losing Schenn and Frattin is not costing an arm and a leg unless both realize their potential, which wouldn't be in the present. The Leafs need to make the playoffs and if you have a chance to get a size/skill combo forward like Brown, you pull the trigger.

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People are blinded by the fact that we need a centerman and seem to forget we have many other holes to fill. A power forward type being one of them.
I get what you're saying.... But, if you're on a budget and don't have a home or a car... Do you spend all your money on the car you want? Or look for discounts until you save enough to buy a house; the most important need?

I'm torn on the issue... I'd love to see an upgrade like Brown, but it's hard to let young guys with upside go for another 2nd liner. (not a knock on Brown, but he isn't an elite talent)

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Why are the kings even trying to get rid of Brown in the first place? I cant say I really understand. Are they that unhappy with him? I'm just confused.
Apparantly him and Richards are fighting for dominance in the lockeroom. Leadership scuffle. Much like Richards was with Pronger. The bringing in of Carter basically solidifies the fact that LA wants to move forward with the Richards/Carter combo in the future giving way to Richards to take over captaincy. Bobby Mac thinks LA is going for an entire culture change.


Makes sense to me.

No one ask me for link - too lazy to find it, might be the top story on twitter or a Hockeybuzz article.

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I wonder why he was made captain in the first place.
I think his abilities were misread. Brown is a good player to have if he is second fiddle or third fiddle. He isn't a leader and a star player on the team, so its time to ship him out. He was responsible for getting this team back on track after Murray was canned, and he failed to rally the troops.

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I get what you're saying.... But, if you're on a budget and don't have a home or a car... Do you spend all your money on the car you want? Or look for discounts until you save enough to buy a house; the most important need?

I'm torn on the issue... I'd love to see an upgrade like Brown, but it's hard to let young guys with upside go for another 2nd liner. (not a knock on Brown, but he isn't an elite talent)
Brown fits the budget, cap wise.

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The answer is wait and find the right offer? We have won 1 of our last 8 games and have almost zero physicality in our top 6. We don't have any semblance of a cycle game, which is why we get hemmed in our own zone for long periods of time.

No one is looking to cough up a decent #1C for Luke Schenn right now. Losing Schenn and Frattin is not costing an arm and a leg unless both realize their potential, which wouldn't be in the present. The Leafs need to make the playoffs and if you have a chance to get a size/skill combo forward like Brown, you pull the trigger.
Majority of them has been losses by 1 goal, just one.

I agree with you fully that we lack a cycle game and the board works but I dont want to make a move for the sake of a move to make the playoffs. I dont want the price to be that premium, if brown is unavailable, we go for a younger player who has the potential to do the same, say carter ashton??

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Just watched hockey central and kypreos said the leafs are in for sure on steve ott. Maclean said it's between the leafs and the Canucks.

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no way leafs do this
Nope, way to much going to LA.

Macarthur + Franson would be good.

They downgrade on Brown with Macarthur, but get Franson to make up for it, who can provide some offense for their backend.

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