In spirit to counter act my playoff thread I am creating my skepticism thread.
Flames currently are in line to draft apmeone like Faska (think Landeskog), but if we can sell off some assets or even trade Kipper, we could drop down low enough to pick up Galyenchuk. The current team just isn't strong enough to make much more than speed bump in the playoffs.
I think it's in the best interests of all fans if the flames can pick in the top 5 so start losing!!!!
I fully support this thread. It is like they read the boards and they second we have faith they crack. So I say we suck and there is no way to we can possible make the playoffs.
No thanks. I'm for retool, re-adjust, or reform. Not rebuild. Let's slowly work towards a new core instead of icing a team of 18-20 rookies who may be a equal or greater core in the future. I'm for selling, but not settling with the basement.
ya our future is so much brighter than the ones who wipped our ass 6-1
ya Wahl Byron Baertschi Nemisz are so much better than RNH Hall Eberle etc Hell our top line isnt as good
ya our future is so much brighter than the ones who wipped our ass 6-1
ya Wahl Byron Baertschi Nemisz are so much better than RNH Hall Eberle etc Hell our top line isnt as good
Heres an idea, why dont your quit bugging us actual flames fans and go cheer with your oiler brethren for another #1 pick, your act is getting old..
Heres an idea, why dont your quit bugging us actual flames fans and go cheer with your oiler brethren for another #1 pick, your act is getting old..
MJW22's actually right. At this stage in the game the Flames have done what they can but can't even spear Bryz when he's down.
The Oilers have followed a hard path that will lead them to success a lot faster than a tepid and nontruculent retooling fans seem to be suggesting on these boards.
If fans want the Flames to be a winning team going forward then they'll have to cringe their way through some deals that will make them squirm.
MJW22's actually right. At this stage in the game the Flames have done what they can but can't even spear Bryz when he's down.
The Oilers have followed a hard path that will lead them to success a lot faster than a tepid and nontruculent retooling fans seem to be suggesting on these boards.
If fans want the Flames to be a winning team going forward then they'll have to cringe their way through some deals that will make them squirm.
Says who? They have 3 talented forwards and after that the team is in shambles. Don't tell us how we should build a team when they're pretty damn close to drafting 3 1st overalls in a row. You can come back when they have a starting goalie and half decent defenseman on their roster.
At this point we've got Barstchi, Brodie and Irving and who else knows what our other prospects can do given their very underrated statuses here. Our prospect pool is only going to get better.
So the lesson learned is to not have me post my playoff hopes before the deadline next season Gotcha!
In all seriousness though, you'd think the Oil would be contenders next season or something given the amount of high draft picks they had. The Hawks built a team pretty quickly around Kane and Toews (3 years total?).
Says who? They have 3 talented forwards and after that the team is in shambles. Don't tell us how we should build a team when they're pretty damn close to drafting 3 1st overalls in a row. You can come back when they have a starting goalie and half decent defenseman on their roster.
In that case then you should check out their roster. They have a starting goalie and "half-decent defensemen". And they're heading in a strong direction after some tough years.
The two things that worry me about the Flames is that they apparently don't want to do the hard, dirty work of properly rebuilding the team and managment/owndership seem to think the fan base is not able to handle it.
The fans that I know are more than willing to see the team built properly and they have the brains to know what has to happen next.
Devan Dubnyk? LOL. List their defensive roster for me. I took a quick glance at the Oilers board in their thread about becoming a playoff contender next year. Basically sums up what I pointed out. They're team still needs A LOT of work.
How exactly is tanking and going for the 1st overall pick for consecutive years considered "hard and dirty" work. Would you not consider aiming for the playoffs and using the draft picks held to scout for good talent harder work?
Devan Dubnyk? LOL. List their defensive roster for me. I took a quick glance at the Oilers board in their thread about becoming a playoff contender next year. Basically sums up what I pointed out. They're team still needs A LOT of work.
How exactly is tanking and going for the 1st overall pick for consecutive years considered "hard and dirty" work. Would you not consider aiming for the playoffs and using the draft picks held to scout for good talent harder work?
The Oilers have solid guys like Potter and Petry in defense and they'll hopefully still be around when the young players mature. Admittedly they still need work on a few things but so did the Wings when they were moving up. But they're doing it and that's the main thing.
And while they may be tanking they are interesting to watch and they are following a plan that will lead them in a good direction.
Whatever they are doing at least they aren't floundering like a dying fish on the bottom of a boat.
The Oilers have solid guys like Potter and Petry in defense and they'll hopefully still be around when the young players mature. Admittedly they still need work on a few things but so did the Wings when they were moving up. But they're doing it and that's the main thing.
And while they may be tanking they are interesting to watch and they are following a plan that will lead them in a good direction.
Whatever they are doing at least they aren't floundering like a dying fish on the bottom of a boat.
The Oilers have solid guys like Potter and Petry in defense and they'll hopefully still be around when the young players mature. Admittedly they still need work on a few things but so did the Wings when they were moving up. But they're doing it and that's the main thing.
And while they may be tanking they are interesting to watch and they are following a plan that will lead them in a good direction.
Whatever they are doing at least they aren't floundering like a dying fish on the bottom of a boat.
You know you're bad when Potter is brought up as an example of your defense. It's atrocious. It'll be a while before a guy like Klefbom reaches his potential given the longer development defenseman take. What period of the Wings are you referring to? Because the current Wings are building through smart drafting; something we'd model after.
As to your last part, I wouldn't know what else to call finishing dead least for nearly 3 years in a row then. I'm sure you know where the door is because what you're trying to argue is ridiculous.
We're slowly shedding away veterans by incorporating more youth and smart drafting all while trying to be part of the playoff picture.
The Oilers have solid guys like Potter and Petry in defense and they'll hopefully still be around when the young players mature. Admittedly they still need work on a few things but so did the Wings when they were moving up. But they're doing it and that's the main thing.
And while they may be tanking they are interesting to watch and they are following a plan that will lead them in a good direction.
Whatever they are doing at least they aren't floundering like a dying fish on the bottom of a boat.
And the Flames don't? Why don't you take a look at the Flames prospects sticky and see how many of our prospects are playing at a ppg or more?
We called up all of our most NHL ready prospects this year from Abby in order to see how they perform. A strategy not previously used in this organization. We're following a steady plan of getting younger and searching for a long-term replacement to our core.
Everybody who wants to trade away Iggy, Kipper, Jokinen, ect. are looking for answers right now. They want action done today. Well action has been done, regardless if you noticed it or not, this organization isn't pursuing the previous strategies.
Not every means of rebuild involve blowing it up and tanking. "Rebuild", in hockey, is probably defined as the replacement of rosters, staff, or strategy. A pretty vague destination will have multiple means of reaching it.
I'm not an absolute thinker. Perhaps circumstances will change over the deadline, the draft, the free agency that will cause me to believe we should pursue a rebuild involving selling off our immediate core and develop a new core through early round selections at the draft. But I don't believe we've reached that stage, as I've noticed that the only teams to blow'em up are those that sit near the basement with their current core, therefore a slow replacement of core would result in the same basement dwelling as a immediate trading of core.
We are in a playoff race with our current core, therefore there is no panic to replace them quite yet. We can stay competative, keep business profitable, and keep fans excited by competing for a playoff spot and not be a complete embarassment by being in the bottom 5 of the leauge, all the while finding ways to replace our current core roster.
The Oilers have solid guys like Potter and Petry in defense and they'll hopefully still be around when the young players mature. Admittedly they still need work on a few things but so did the Wings when they were moving up. But they're doing it and that's the main thing.
And while they may be tanking they are interesting to watch and they are following a plan that will lead them in a good direction.
Whatever they are doing at least they aren't floundering like a dying fish on the bottom of a boat.
Please do not compare your oilers with my wings. The last time we had a top 5 pick was more than 20 years ago. The oilers are nothing similar. NOTHING.
flames postseason died with the loss to phoenix. loss to philly cemented it.
that 1-0 kipper beastmode on the kings really gave me hope... **** em all.
the team isnt that bad on paper. questionable depth, but certainly no worse than the teams we are (were) neck-and-neck with. defense is good enough. kipper is great, irving/ramo have promise.
And the Flames don't? Why don't you take a look at the Flames prospects sticky and see how many of our prospects are playing at a ppg or more?
We called up all of our most NHL ready prospects this year from Abby in order to see how they perform. A strategy not previously used in this organization. We're following a steady plan of getting younger and searching for a long-term replacement to our core.
Everybody who wants to trade away Iggy, Kipper, Jokinen, ect. are looking for answers right now. They want action done today. Well action has been done, regardless if you noticed it or not, this organization isn't pursuing the previous strategies.
Not every means of rebuild involve blowing it up and tanking. "Rebuild", in hockey, is probably defined as the replacement of rosters, staff, or strategy. A pretty vague destination will have multiple means of reaching it.
I'm not an absolute thinker. Perhaps circumstances will change over the deadline, the draft, the free agency that will cause me to believe we should pursue a rebuild involving selling off our immediate core and develop a new core through early round selections at the draft. But I don't believe we've reached that stage, as I've noticed that the only teams to blow'em up are those that sit near the basement with their current core, therefore a slow replacement of core would result in the same basement dwelling as a immediate trading of core.
We are in a playoff race with our current core, therefore there is no panic to replace them quite yet. We can stay competative, keep business profitable, and keep fans excited by competing for a playoff spot and not be a complete embarassment by being in the bottom 5 of the leauge, all the while finding ways to replace our current core roster.
you're not embarrassed by missing the play offs 2 years in a row being in 11 and probably missing them again. With Hall Eberle Gagner etc the kind of players no where to be found in our system I would think Oiler fans are less embarrassed
you're not embarrassed by missing the play offs 2 years in a row being in 11 and probably missing them again. With Hall Eberle Gagner etc the kind of players no where to be found in our system I would think Oiler fans are less embarrassed
Why don't you swing by the Oilers boards and literally ask them if they feel embarassed by losing to every other team in the standings for consecutive seasons, instead of simply lobbying mindless rhetoric. I take pride in knowing my organization doesn't settle for complete failure and would much rather find solutions while competing than to be provided (lottery) solutions out of sympathy with an attempt to offset the disgrace of failure with a league handicap.
I fully support this thread. It is like they read the boards and they second we have faith they crack. So I say we suck and there is no way to we can possible make the playoffs.
Gotcha!
