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Without JJ, will The Kings be BETTER defensively?

View Poll Results: Will JJ's departure IMPROVE our team Goal's Against?
"Mr. Minus's" departure will HELP our team GA, for sure. Just wait & see! 28 34.57%
The loss of JJ's good traits will HURT us defensively, to some degree. 14 17.28%
Defensively, we will remain about the same after JJ's departure--No big change 39 48.15%
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02-25-2012, 09:01 PM
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First game with Johnson out and Carter in -- and it's as if the Kings have been liberated.

Was Jack Johnson actually holding the Kings back? As if everyone else had to raise their games defensively to cover for him, which meant curtailing their offensive game?

That is definitely something to think about. This already looks like a different, far more energized and more offensively spirited team in the first game after the trade.

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02-25-2012, 09:30 PM
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First game with Johnson out and Carter in -- and it's as if the Kings have been liberated.

Was Jack Johnson actually holding the Kings back? As if everyone else had to raise their games defensively to cover for him, which meant curtailing their offensive game?

That is definitely something to think about. This already looks like a different, far more energized and more offensively spirited team in the first game after the trade.
No, it really isn't.

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Apparently so. The non Johnson era has surrendered 0 goals.

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No, it really isn't.
Well, yeah, it really is. Some of these statistics about JJ that have been uncovered in the wake of the trade are mind-boggling. Player after player on the Kings, succeeding better without Jack on the ice than with him on the ice. The trends shown are impossible to deny and seem to suggest a missing dynamic in Jack's play despite the more obvious skills and strong points in his game.

Tonight's Kings team reminded me of sailors stuck on a ship for a long time, suddenly getting 24 hours of shore leave. Voynov, not coincidentally, played a great game. The Jack factor really has to be considered here.


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02-26-2012, 01:13 AM
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The Kings should have moved JJ to forward.

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The Kings should have moved JJ to forward.
Nope.com

Carter is a better forward than Jack could ever be.

It was nice to watch a game where you don't hav to hold your breath for the Jack turnover.

Nobody received a minus in honor of Jack.

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02-26-2012, 02:21 AM
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The Kings did give up 2 breakaways that Quick was nails on. I'm not sold that the defense is "better" without JJ in the lineup yet, but it sure helps knowing Voynov is capable of stepping up.

The Martinez/Greene pairing is absolutely frightening imo.

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The Kings did give up 2 breakaways that Quick was nails on. I'm not sold that the defense is "better" without JJ in the lineup yet, but it sure helps knowing Voynov is capable of stepping up.

Would JJ really have prevented that 2-on-none?

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02-26-2012, 10:50 AM
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The Kings did give up 2 breakaways that Quick was nails on. I'm not sold that the defense is "better" without JJ in the lineup yet, but it sure helps knowing Voynov is capable of stepping up.

The Martinez/Greene pairing is absolutely frightening imo.
Not to be picky, but did the Hawks even get a shot on goal in their breakways tonight? I can think of two odd man rushes that were shot above or wide of the net.

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No more questions your honor. JJ has gotten much better defensively each season with the Kings but he has a low hockey IQ and doesn't see the ice well or plays as they are developing-he reacts after the fact. I'd rather have Voynov and Carter than Jack Johnson.
THis makes a very interesting point.

Really this deal gives us Voynov AND Carter for JJ and a 1st.

We haven't lost anything by moving JJ in that his departure gives us room to bring up and retain VV which are both excellent things. When you add in Carter and what he is capable of bringing to the team it is a total win for us.

Defencively we are at least equal to where we were and I think even better in the long run.

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02-28-2012, 08:33 PM
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2 goals against since the trade.

Jack is a minus 5 in Columbus so far.

Voynov +2.

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We are better defensively. Voynov and Martinez have the sense of when to pinch and activate into the attack that Jack just doesn't. The thing about Jack is that all the forwards on the team have to cover for him too. It messed stuff up.

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