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02-24-2012, 04:54 PM
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"@NHLFlames: $10 Million over two years for Hemsky is the funniest thing I've heard in a long, long time. I hope it happens. #whatajoke"


they've since apologized haha
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Because he's very likely to miss significant time, and, if this season is any indication, to not have all that much of an impact when he is on the ice.

I know, his shoulders are all healed, this, that whatever. Honestly, if he has an average season like he had the last 3 years - about 50 GP, 30-35 pts, is that the best way to spend 5 million?

Wouldn't it be better served to toss 5 mill at a solid defenseman, all things considered during this phase of the Oilers rebuild?
I guess if the Oilers have tons of cash to throw around, it can't really hurt them. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
The Oilers can do both. Hell, they have enough cap room to spend $8 million on a d-man if need be.

When you look at who the potential replacements are for Hemsky, they are pretty much all worse players, and that's if we are even lucky enough to sign them. Keeping Hemsky on a short term deal is the best all-around solution, plain and simple.

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02-24-2012, 04:55 PM
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Oilers management once again proves that they are a joke.
Why because when they need to sign RNH this contract will be off the books?

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2 more yrs of Hemsky at $5mil may get in the way of Eberle/Hall/Whitney contract extensions, but there comes a time when they have to be a cap team again anyway.

As for 'hockey-only' reasons to keep him, he's a stop-gap. But only when healthy and actually playing well. So not really. Cheers.


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02-24-2012, 04:57 PM
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I might be the odd one but I don't see why 2 years @5mil for Hemsky is that bad. He's good for 70-75 ish pts when healthy although remaining healthy has been a major concern. He's a lower end top liner or elite second liner and I think 5mil is about fair. Term's not long and 2 year deal would not come in way of Oil's key RFA extensions. If Hemsky can play a full season, the price would be close to 6mil. Even if he misses 15 games a season, he'd still get 60-65 pts. For 5mil that's not too bad considering EDM is not the most desirable place for the UFA's. Oils probably have to overpay for UFAs anyways.

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So Hemsky is now going to be making almost as much as Phil Kessel who is top 3 in scoring and top 3 in goals and is 24.

lol Oilers
Looks at the tim connolly signing. Is being a hypocrite a good thing in your eyes?

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02-24-2012, 04:59 PM
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You know it's a bad contract when you have to justify it against contracts like Leino, Connolly and Ruttu.

Why not compare it to contracts like Sharp, Burrows, Pavelski and Clutterbuck?
Not sure if serious?

Are you seriously implying Edmonton has the negotiating leverage after back to back 30th place finishes that chicago/san jose had after winning the cup/making the 2nd round

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I find it funny that most Edmonton fans seem to think that 2 years of Hemsky, at 5m, seems like a good deal. They point to other contracts, expected performance, team needs, and cap management.

Other fans - "the contract suxxors! HaHaStupidOilers!"

I'd wait for at least a year, before evaluating it. Hell, look at the comments here, and he hasn't even signed a deal yet.

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I like how you forget to mention Kesler who also signed at 5 mill last year. You only mention bad teams who gave out bad contracts.
Id glady sign Kesler for 5 million. Its almost like all these trolls dont realize re-signing for the presidents trophy winning team isnt the same as signing with the 2nd worse team in the NHL

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02-24-2012, 05:03 PM
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Sorry but this analogy is just plain wrong.

1/2/3 wrongs do not make a right.

Just because some other gms payed a ton of money for average free agents does not mean the oilers have to with hemsky.

Look at dan hamhuis for example, the guy is making 4.5m a year, and yes he was a UFA
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Why are people looking at Hemsky's goal totals? He's a playmaker.
Because saying you have 20+ assists doesnt look as bad as saying 5 goals

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Thats ridiculous. Why not put that towards Suter or something..
Look at the teams cap space...

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Yeah, but I doubt he finishes strong, and I doubt the offers in the summer are bigger than this even if he does finish strong. I am at a loss to explain this one. Given that so few teams are sellers this year I would expected the Oilers to be holding onto Hemsky right up until the deadline.
Who plays right wing behind Eberle if they dump Hemsky. Ryan Jones?

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02-24-2012, 05:13 PM
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hahahahahaha, and he hasn't said yes yet??????

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02-24-2012, 05:14 PM
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Because saying you have 20+ assists doesnt look as bad as saying 5 goals
43 points over 82 games, -20 range looks pretty bad for $5 mil.

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02-24-2012, 05:18 PM
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This for real? What if the deadline passes, no good final offers, and Hemsky decides to test FA? Oh yeah, loose him for nothing...

They dont need to wait 3 days to have the option of trading him. They have had that option for months.

If most Oiler fans think this deal is fine, when we watch him play all the time, thats good enough for me. I think we know a lot more about Hemsky than the rest of you guys.
Aren't they saying that he wants to stay in the first place? If that's the case then why not test out trading him at the deadline?

Yeah lots of people have seen Hemsky play and I don't know why Oilers fans keep repeating this rhetoric. No one is saying he's bad, just not $5 M good enough and even you have to acknowledge that. You can't assume that he'll return to his old self or continue strong play, he'll get injured more likely than have a strong 70 game+ season.

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02-24-2012, 05:20 PM
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43 points over 82 games, -20 range looks pretty bad for $5 mil.
Almost as bad as David booth at 4.25 for the next 3 yrs.....at least Hemsky has a successful playoff run and a .9ish ppg history.....

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02-24-2012, 05:21 PM
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So this means he has until Monday to decide? If he hasn't accepting it he will be gone?

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02-24-2012, 05:21 PM
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You need vets, especially with as many young players that are currently on the Oilers' active roster. He's proven he's a top 6 player in the past, even with his rough season so far. It's a bit high, but he's a valuable member of the team and as a leader for the half-dozen barely 20-year old (or younger) forwards on the team.

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02-24-2012, 05:28 PM
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Aren't they saying that he wants to stay in the first place? If that's the case then why not test out trading him at the deadline?

Yeah lots of people have seen Hemsky play and I don't know why Oilers fans keep repeating this rhetoric. No one is saying he's bad, just not $5 M good enough and even you have to acknowledge that. You can't assume that he'll return to his old self or continue strong play, he'll get injured more likely than have a strong 70 game+ season.
the 5 million is the price you pay to have him bring down his term. I`d rather pay him 5 million over 2 years than 4.5 million for 5. And for the oilers, who else do they get to replace him. The 5 million is a perfectly reasonable market rate that in no way hinders the oilers now, or in the future.

And for assuming he keeps up his strong play. He is not keeping anything up, this is his average. 10 points in the last 12 games is his career average for PPG. The fact is he had a bad start to the year because of weak shoulders. This isn`t a current hot streak, this is his normal play.

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02-24-2012, 05:29 PM
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I'm not saying that I love this deal, but I don't think there is a player in the NHL that can play in your top 6 that you could sign for only 2 years.

I bet if they had signed him longer term they would've gotten him for a lower price. Like 4 M for 4-5 years.
Also, without a no-trade or NMC clause the price has to go up.

So 2 years of 5M without any trade/waiver restrictions would be like a 3.75M over 4-5 years in my opinion.

That 3.75 would look great, but once you look at the term and the conditions the contracts start to look pretty bad.

I would much rather have Hemsky for 2 years at 5 M then 4 years at 3.75 with a no-trade/no movement clause.

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wow...canucks and flames fans the most upset about this.hhmmm
How are we upset? This is awesome if true

How has Hemsky not signed this deal already!!

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Almost as bad as David booth at 4.25 for the next 3 yrs.....at least Hemsky has a successful playoff run and a .9ish ppg history.....
Booth has 11 goals in 35 games this year (with Van)

Hemsky has 5 goals in 47 games this year

4.25 for Booth is market value at worst, 5 for Hemsky is only good for non-Oiler fans

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Come on, are you serious? Hemsky has been a disaster for the oilers this year, and does not fit with the kids or the future AT ALL.

Paying a guy like hemsky 5m for floating around is an absolute and complete joke.
Considering that the majority of the Edmonton fan base is in favour of this move should tell the rest posters, who are basing their opinion of Hemsky on generalizations, that this is a not a terrible deal.


Yes there is a risk he gets injured but if he stays healthy he basically gives the Oilers 2 lines that can score. The last few games him and Hall have found some chemistry and I would love to see the Oilers have two skilled scoring lines next year instead of just 1.

I can think of a lot worse contracts than this.

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How are we upset? This is awesome if true

How has Hemsky not signed this deal already!!
Because it's just a rumour and probably not true? Do you take everything you hear at face value, or something?

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