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02-25-2012, 05:46 PM
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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?

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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?
What do you suggest he trade for this 'hope'?

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02-25-2012, 05:50 PM
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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?
I wanted Big Buff when Chicago was dumping him, but I didn't see him being a d-man here.

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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?
I wonder if getting Staal wouldn't be too difficult from NYR considering cap, their Nash pursuit and Staal's lack of play this season. The only thing riding for him is his surname at the moment IMO

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02-25-2012, 06:18 PM
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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?
Bob Gainey was 'creative' when he successfully pitched top prospect dmn McDonaugh for top centre man Gomez.

You have no idea what Tortellini err Tambellini has been pitching or listening to for offers. Throwing random list of players against the wall is not creative. This team's strategy is draft- develop where it needs to be.

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02-25-2012, 06:21 PM
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Tambo needs to get off his hands and get creative. Why not go after Aulie or Franson in Toronto, Ellerby in Florida, McBain in Carolina, Forbort in Los Angeles, Staal in New York, etc.

Start getting creative. Let's at least try some guys and hope thy emerge. I mean no one thought Big Buff was going to be as good as he is now. Ryan McDonaugh came out of nowhere. Why can't we put a little effort in it?
What's your plan to acquire these players? Lead the way with creativity. Way easier said than done, dude. And Staal would cost an arm and a leg.

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02-25-2012, 07:48 PM
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hahah im glad tortellini caught on to you guys! so its official, we just call him tortellini.


I agree with some of the peeps saying he is just lying to us all and hes gonna make something happen on monday. If he doesn't, ill be pissed. I think he does need to get a bit creative and make a move or 2 to bolster our D or goaltending.

you know for everyone saying we dont have anything we can trade, what about a massive pool of prospects? Why are those off limits?

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hahah im glad tortellini caught on to you guys! so its official, we just call him tortellini.


I agree with some of the peeps saying he is just lying to us all and hes gonna make something happen on monday. If he doesn't, ill be pissed. I think he does need to get a bit creative and make a move or 2 to bolster our D or goaltending.

you know for everyone saying we dont have anything we can trade, what about a massive pool of prospects? Why are those off limits?
Our best prospects are the ones we need moving forward and the other ones don't have the necessary value for the pieces we'd want to trade for.

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What do you suggest he trade for this 'hope'?
Im just saying things can change on a dime. Look at when Toronto took on salary so that Anaheim could have some cap space. They ended up with Lupul and Gardiner. Why can't Tambo take on some salary for the next 2 years and get some decent players back as well? Maybe Toronto would dump Lombardi and throw in Aulie. Tambo needs to realize that their is more to trading than just unloading veterans for draft picks.

Obviously these deals aren't very easy but Tambo can help accelerate this rebuild with some creative moves. So far outside of free agency (Eager, Belanger, Hordi, Khabby) he had only done 2 creative moves. He brought in Sutton (who was apparently terrible but has been great for us) and Whitney (at the expense of Lubo). Monday is one of the 3 busiest days in the NHL and you never know what kind of players hit the market. We have a ton of pieces and could move some of them to make this team better now and in the long term. Maybe a top 4 dman comes around and Tambo just sits on his hands. Why don't we try and pry Schultz out of Washington? He could be a top 4 dman and probably wouldn't cost us a whole lot.

Monday is one of the few days of the year where a team like Edmonton can deal from a position of power. Lets take advantage of that.

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02-25-2012, 08:17 PM
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What's your plan to acquire these players? Lead the way with creativity. Way easier said than done, dude. And Staal would cost an arm and a leg.
So what, they add Nash's crazy contract up front but can still afford to keep McDonaugh, Girardi, Staal, Sauer and MDZ? Thats 5 defencemen that will be making over 4M. For whatever reason, good players get traded. Lets be their and have an offer ready when it comes up.

Who knows, maybe Dubinsky becomes available because of Nash?

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So what, they add Nash's crazy contract up front but can still afford to keep McDonaugh, Girardi, Staal, Sauer and MDZ? Thats 5 defencemen that will be making over 4M. For whatever reason, good players get traded. Lets be their and have an offer ready when it comes up.

Who knows, maybe Dubinsky becomes available because of Nash?

We just signed and gave a verbal agreement not to trade our two biggest potential trading chips. What are we going to do, give some team all of our garbage for a top 4 defenceman? And when you have a team that is prospect and draft pick rich like the Oilers are at this point, you need to be very, very careful at what you give up. It's pretty easy to trade a decent 8 year vet that you know what you're giving up. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to make a guess on a kid in junior, a 2nd year pro, or a high draft pick. Oilers are in a unique situation. Once some of these prospects get more experience, we'll be able to weed out the ones we need and the ones we use for trading chips. I can see some small trades happening Monday - possibly Peckham, Barker, etc. Not sure of this fixation that Tambo absolutely HAS to do something this trade deadline, especially on a team going nowhere this year. Plenty of time to satisfy your movement urges at the draft or July 1. People need to relax and be patient. This is a slow process, it's year two. Besides, if it makes you feel better, you can look at the Hemsky signing as getting a big name player for us.

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02-25-2012, 11:27 PM
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We just signed and gave a verbal agreement not to trade our two biggest potential trading chips. What are we going to do, give some team all of our garbage for a top 4 defenceman? And when you have a team that is prospect and draft pick rich like the Oilers are at this point, you need to be very, very careful at what you give up. It's pretty easy to trade a decent 8 year vet that you know what you're giving up. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to make a guess on a kid in junior, a 2nd year pro, or a high draft pick. Oilers are in a unique situation. Once some of these prospects get more experience, we'll be able to weed out the ones we need and the ones we use for trading chips. I can see some small trades happening Monday - possibly Peckham, Barker, etc. Not sure of this fixation that Tambo absolutely HAS to do something this trade deadline, especially on a team going nowhere this year. Plenty of time to satisfy your movement urges at the draft or July 1. People need to relax and be patient. This is a slow process, it's year two. Besides, if it makes you feel better, you can look at the Hemsky signing as getting a big name player for us.
I am patient but Tambo needs to prove that he is a capable GM and not rely so heavily on his high end draft picks to develop. I like the Hemsky signing but it doesnt make us any better defensively.

A guy like Bernier is apparently on the market and I would love to see us snag him somehow. Maybe we have to give up a 2nd round pick + a guy like Linus Omark but at some point we need to start taking calculated gambles.

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I am patient but Tambo needs to prove that he is a capable GM and not rely so heavily on his high end draft picks to develop. I like the Hemsky signing but it doesnt make us any better defensively.

A guy like Bernier is apparently on the market and I would love to see us snag him somehow. Maybe we have to give up a 2nd round pick + a guy like Linus Omark but at some point we need to start taking calculated gambles.
A second round pick and Omark for Bernier wouldn't be a calculated gamble, it'd be highway robbery.

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A second round pick and Omark for Bernier wouldn't be a calculated gamble, it'd be highway robbery.
Keep in mind that our 2nd is 32nd overall. Its practically a late first. If i'm a playoff team, I'm not giving up my pick (16-25) straight up for Bernier. That and the teams that are 25-30 aren't looking for a potential starting goaltender. I think the only team that is a "playoff" type team that is looking for a starting goaltender would be Toronto. I don't see them trading their 1st for Bernier.

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I agree.

If they do trade Peckham it better be to Florida. He's going to come back and bite us in the ass like Green does. I really hope they keep him. If Hemsky can have an off year why can't Peckham. I love the guys physicality to much to let him go just yet. Unless of course it's in a package for a big fish.
Peckham is no.6 at best.

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I wanted Big Buff when Chicago was dumping him, but I didn't see him being a d-man here.
If we got Buff, I'd like him to play forward tbh.

I think he'd be great with RNH, Hemsky, Eberle, Hall and Gags who can all get it to the net.

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A guy like Bernier is apparently on the market and I would love to see us snag him somehow. Maybe we have to give up a 2nd round pick + a guy like Linus Omark but at some point we need to start taking calculated gambles.
I know that Treenas has been constantly going back to this rumor and I hope that blind squirrel found a nut.

Khabibulin to TO for pick, Linus + 2nd to Bernier. That'd be a great TDD.

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I think what Tambo needs to do is an Omark + <defenseman> for <better defenseman>.

I'm guessing those kinds of deals aren't available at the deadline so it makes sense. We really need to trade Omark into an asset we can use before next season because that kid has no patience and we don't have room. And I don't think he'll be very good in the NHL.

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I think what Tambo needs to do is an Omark + <defenseman> for <better defenseman>.

I'm guessing those kinds of deals aren't available at the deadline so it makes sense. We really need to trade Omark into an asset we can use before next season because that kid has no patience and we don't have room. And I don't think he'll be very good in the NHL.
If you don't think he'll be any good in the NHL do you expect other teams' scouts to think he will? Do you think adding him to a D-man will really get us a good top 4 D-man?

Come on guys. I agree Tambellini hasn't been as active as he could be in making moves, but at the same time we have no idea what he is offering and what he is getting offered to him. Additionally, I doubt half of these proposed moves would be even CLOSE to getting done because 90% of these proposals are lopsided in favour of the oilers. For pete's sake be realistic and think about the logistics of these proposals from the OTHER team's perspective.

Yes, I want some good movement for a solid D man, but that move doesn't necessarily have to happen before Monday. It just needs to happen before next season.

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Staal is very important to New York. What it would cost to acquire him EDM wouldn't be comfortable paying.

I doubt we go for any home run deals, we need to be patient. We're probably drafting Murray and Klefbom is developing right now. We need a #1 to play with Petry down the road but trading for him is going to cost us big time.

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Teams don't sell contracted, young defenseman at this time of the year. Doesn't happen. So yeah, there will be no adding.

At most he'll move a few bodies for low futures (think Peckham and Barker).

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Staal is very important to New York. What it would cost to acquire him EDM wouldn't be comfortable paying.

I doubt we go for any home run deals, we need to be patient. We're probably drafting Murray and Klefbom is developing right now. We need a #1 to play with Petry down the road but trading for him is going to cost us big time.
This. If we're gonna get more defenders, it needs to be through free agency. That being said, I'd be willing to give up a lot for some through trades.
Bogosian would be a great target, but I don't see him going anywhere. Jets fans seem to love him.
Pietrangelo (I know, impossible)
Any interest in Shattenkirk? His numbers are respectable but I haven't watched him much.

People will call me crazy but I'd say a package of our first in 2013, Pitlick and another prospect or if it's someone even higher end, MPS for a young number one Dman.
I'd say it's worth it because not everything is a sureshot with them. Pitlick's spot is far from a guarantee. I like the kid but I'd rather us have a defenseman. Get rid of the draft pick now before we look too much into that draft and get attached to anyone.

But at the same time my love of McKinnon makes it hard to get rid of a draft pick in his year.

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This. If we're gonna get more defenders, it needs to be through free agency. That being said, I'd be willing to give up a lot for some through trades.
Bogosian would be a great target, but I don't see him going anywhere. Jets fans seem to love him.
Pietrangelo (I know, impossible)
Any interest in Shattenkirk? His numbers are respectable but I haven't watched him much.

People will call me crazy but I'd say a package of our first in 2013, Pitlick and another prospect or if it's someone even higher end, MPS for a young number one Dman.
I'd say it's worth it because not everything is a sureshot with them. Pitlick's spot is far from a guarantee. I like the kid but I'd rather us have a defenseman. Get rid of the draft pick now before we look too much into that draft and get attached to anyone.

But at the same time my love of McKinnon makes it hard to get rid of a draft pick in his year.
I wouldn't trade the 2013 1st... next years draft looks deeper than this year... and there are several EXTREMELY good forwards (and a few good dmen) that you wouldn't want to pass up if the Oilers are "unexpectedly" in the crapper and a lotto team again.

If the Oilers can manage to pick up Yakupov/Grigorenko/Galchenyuk this year and next year pick up someone like MacKinnon/Barkov.... they'd have a disgusting forward group.

Dcore on the other hand... ... but upside is we'd have a lot of 8-6 games (wins and losses)... and that's a lot of fun to watch

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