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02-25-2012, 11:38 AM
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I'm not giving up on Okposo.

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Although they won't move Okposo in the near future, keep an eye on the way they backload their contracts. If things stay the same and Wang has no new arena, they might move some of those backloaded contracts for cheaper ones plus draft picks in trades that make no sense as hockey trades. Tavares is probably the only untouchable in the long term.

Although arguably the backloading could be tied to other expenses (DiPietro, Yashin's buyout) as they are mindful of every dollar and cent, nonetheless they've made a lot of peculiar moves to save salary. For example, Niederreiter plays 4th line minutes and has one point for the year, so you have to think they only kept him up to have his cap hit (three times the actual salary) to help them to the floor without having to pay the full price. Staios has a Stanley Cup winning bonus that doubles his cap hit, and Pandolfo has a similar bonus that almost doubles his cap hit. In short, they seem to be pushing expenses to the future and using loopholes to spend less than the minimum required.

So Okposo is not going anywhere in the first couple of years of his new contract (1m, 2m, 3m, 3.5m, 4.5m), but the third year (2013-14) is the point when his salary raises above the cap hit. Grabner is in the same boat with his contract.

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What do you think the Isles should do with Okposo. The guy's never scored 20 goals (19 was the closest he's gotten last season), broken 50 points just once, never been a plus player (season-wise). Not exactly a bust like Patrick Stefan but still I'd say below average for a 1st round pick (not to mentioned someone rumored to be the next one to wear the C). Sometimes he'll show up other times he'll make stupid mistakes that cost his team games. He's got a new 3-year contract this season (apparently for last season's performance) but so far he's been more of a no show.

Should the Isles try to ship him out and if they do what can they get back?
Not all first round picks turn into superstars. If fans expect every first round pick they get (especially when the player is picked outside the top five) to turn into a 30+ goal, or 70+ point player, then they're going to be disappointed 9 times out of 10.

Having said that, there's no real point in dealing Okposo right now, IMO. Not unless you can somehow land a top four defenseman for him, without having to add significantly to the deal. He's a solid player, probably better suited (right now) as a 2nd/3rd line guy who can chip in 15-20 goals, 40 to 50 points a season, and provide solid two-way play. I can think of a lot worse you could end up with with a first round pick than what Okposo provides.

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.Isles would not be in the mix for Gagner at center with Tavares,Nielsen,Bailey,Strome,Brock Nelson,Cizikas and Ullstrom playing center.
Gagner is a better NHL player now and likely in the next 3-4 years than six of those seven.

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02-25-2012, 12:35 PM
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What about somethin based around Mason Raymond + Chris Tanev?

Young d-man who is NHL ready (many think Salos replacement next year) and a top 6 winger.

Tanev made the team out of camp, but they want him playing top minutes on the Wolves instead of 3rd pairing minutes here in a limited role.

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What about somethin based around Mason Raymond + Chris Tanev?

Young d-man who is NHL ready (many think Salos replacement next year) and a top 6 winger.

Tanev made the team out of camp, but they want him playing top minutes on the Wolves instead of 3rd pairing minutes here in a limited role.
What about Grabner for Ballard and Tanev???

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What about Grabner for Ballard and Tanev???
I dont know who this Grabner guy is, never heard of him.

How about a pick, prospect and a guy like Reasoner for just Ballard

#Sarcasm

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Although they won't move Okposo in the near future, keep an eye on the way they backload their contracts. If things stay the same and Wang has no new arena, they might move some of those backloaded contracts for cheaper ones plus draft picks in trades that make no sense as hockey trades. Tavares is probably the only untouchable in the long term.

Although arguably the backloading could be tied to other expenses (DiPietro, Yashin's buyout) as they are mindful of every dollar and cent, nonetheless they've made a lot of peculiar moves to save salary. For example, Niederreiter plays 4th line minutes and has one point for the year, so you have to think they only kept him up to have his cap hit (three times the actual salary) to help them to the floor without having to pay the full price. Staios has a Stanley Cup winning bonus that doubles his cap hit, and Pandolfo has a similar bonus that almost doubles his cap hit. In short, they seem to be pushing expenses to the future and using loopholes to spend less than the minimum required.

So Okposo is not going anywhere in the first couple of years of his new contract (1m, 2m, 3m, 3.5m, 4.5m), but the third year (2013-14) is the point when his salary raises above the cap hit. Grabner is in the same boat with his contract.
Wang's lease expires in 2015.

By then ,he'll either get a new lease with much better terms or sell the team and payroll will be some other owner's concern.

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I dont know who this Grabner guy is, never heard of him.

How about a pick, prospect and a guy like Reasoner for just Ballard

#Sarcasm
Dont know if serious but a pick(not high pick) and Reasoner for Ballard is a done deal as far as im concernd.....

In VAN Ballard might be a bottom pairing dman but on the Island hes a top 4.....Would love too have him

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Gagner is a better NHL player now and likely in the next 3-4 years than six of those seven.
I don't like Gagner's size,lack of physical play or faceoff ability.Doesn't matter what I think of him though.

The isles are very high on both Strome and Brock Nelson,skilled potential 2nd line centers.Nelson's coach is saying he expects the sophmore to turn pro after 3 college seasons.Strome might not be ready next season,but with Frans Nielsen signed to a new 4 yr extension,the isles should not be trying to rush Strome anyway.

Both Cizikas and Ullstrom are expected to make big pushes for next season's 3rd lne.

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I agree that the only thing I would give up Okposo for would be a player like Schenn. If not, then we should keep him for a while and see if he develops better next year

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Dont know if serious but a pick(not high pick) and Reasoner for Ballard is a done deal as far as im concernd.....

In VAN Ballard might be a bottom pairing dman but on the Island hes a top 4.....Would love too have him
(I had the #Sarcasm at the end)

Nah I was going off of the original Ballard trade Prospect (Grabner), Pick (1st), Reasoner (Bernier).

Im fine keeping Ballard, but maybe in the offseason Ballard to NYI is feasible

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Not saying they will have similar careers but Okposo reminds me of Bertuzzi. A power forward who just needs time to really devlop into such a role. Todays NHL is more geared towards shiffty pucker handlers and not so much the big guys who can lumber and win battles in small spaces. Not to say they are not usefull and required for a team to have success but they do take time.

Furthermore, KOs development was hurt last year big time with the injury that can cost a young player a lot if you ask me. I am willing to give KO more time before wanting to ship him out.

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Maybe Chris Stewart. Both players are somewhat similar and possibly could use a change of scenery

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What do you think the Isles should do with Okposo. The guy's never scored 20 goals (19 was the closest he's gotten last season), broken 50 points just once, never been a plus player (season-wise). Not exactly a bust like Patrick Stefan but still I'd say below average for a 1st round pick (not to mentioned someone rumored to be the next one to wear the C). Sometimes he'll show up other times he'll make stupid mistakes that cost his team games. He's got a new 3-year contract this season (apparently for last season's performance) but so far he's been more of a no show.

Should the Isles try to ship him out and if they do what can they get back?
His cap-friendly contract and all-around game would interest Nashville. Jon Blum would be the starting point.

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His cap-friendly contract and all-around game would interest Nashville. Jon Blum would be the starting point.
Garf would ask for Josi or Ellis, sorry

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Sorry but this is karma, pure and simple. Snow whined about Okposo developing in Minnesota and how bad of a coach Lucia is...before yanking him to the AHL and Okposo isn't look to hot these days.

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Okposo is a solid hockey player, he's just not as good as NYI fans HOPE he would be. Big difference.

He can play on any NHL team. Good skater, strong, decent hands and puck skills, has struggled since his shoulder injury.

If the Isles did a better job getting NHL-caliber, top six players, you'd see much better stats from Okposo, Bailey and others who have disappointed.

Grabner on the other hand, terrible.

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Okposo is a solid hockey player, he's just not as good as NYI fans HOPE he would be. Big difference.

He can play on any NHL team. Good skater, strong, decent hands and puck skills, has struggled since his shoulder injury.

If the Isles did a better job getting NHL-caliber, top six players, you'd see much better stats from Okposo, Bailey and others who have disappointed.

Grabner on the other hand, terrible.
but wasnt he supposed to score more goals than Phil Kessel this year?

in all seriousness,

Schenn for Okposo

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but wasnt he supposed to score more goals than Phil Kessel this year?

in all seriousness,

Schenn for Okposo
schenn is horrible. look no further than his uselss performance tonight in a big game.

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schenn is horrible. look no further than his uselss performance tonight in a big game.
I think he has a ton of potential, is still young and in general it takes more time for young defensemen to mature than forwards... maybe a change of sceneries would benefit both? But I dont think either team are ready to just give up on Okposo or Schenn respectively

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but wasnt he supposed to score more goals than Phil Kessel this year?

in all seriousness,

Schenn for Okposo
Yup. Grabs was going to score 40, Comeau 30.

Kulemin was going to score 40 as well as Grabo....we all have our crosses to bear.



I wouldn't trade Okposo for Schenn. Schenn's foot speed and poor decisions scare me now...like Komisarek when he was a young Montreal Canadien.

True, dmen take long to mature....but the flipside is they're given a long leash, before you know it, you have Chris Campoli, Bruno Gervais, MarcAndre Bergeron on your hands.

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Okposo is a solid hockey player, he's just not as good as NYI fans HOPE he would be. Big difference.

He can play on any NHL team. Good skater, strong, decent hands and puck skills, has struggled since his shoulder injury.

If the Isles did a better job getting NHL-caliber, top six players, you'd see much better stats from Okposo, Bailey and others who have disappointed.

Grabner on the other hand, terrible.
Geez,a voice of reason

Okposo's 6'0 about 200 lbs-210 lbs.The fact that he does not drop the gloves like Gilles or Haley (ahl enforcers),drives some nyi fans up the wall even more then his erractic scoring.

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but wasnt he supposed to score more goals than Phil Kessel this year?

in all seriousness,

Schenn for Okposo
I missed the posts from NYI fans,predicting KO would outscore Kessel
Often stretch the truth and make up stuff ?

As for your Schenn for KO suggestion...pass.
Snow likes MOBILE,strong skating d-men.He won't give up a young core player on a great deal for a struggle Scheen,making what about $3.6m per?

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This is the 1st yr of a 5 yr deal:5 yrs/$14m

$1m this season,$2m next season ,$3m in season 3 and the bulk of his money in yrs 4 and 5.

Isles won't be trading 23 yr old KO anytime soon.Fans hate his inconsistent scoring,but the NYI love his willingness to do the grunt work on his line:fighting for loose pucks along the boards and behind the net,going hard to the net.Let's compare:

A few day ago I posted in another KO thread.The players below have similar or worse 2011-2012 stats then KO's 13 goals, 18 assists.

Mike Richards $5m per
D.Brown $3.1m per
Penner $4m per
Okposo $1m this season,$2m next season.
3 of them have also proven to be 20+ goal scorers on more than on occasion as well. Kyle comes with his own baggage. Last year he's had injuries as an excuse for his numbers, but this year he's on pace to play 78 games and he's only on pace for 17 goals and 41pts, that's if he doesn't continue to struggle.

He's also 23 just for a month and a half, so let's not keep bringing up how young he is. It should be more about what he's proven this year now that he has been healthy.

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