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Eh, just go with what I started the thread of with, haha.
I know but I'm just trying to spare us all alot of time where our fanbases will bash each other most likely. Rangers fans will say offer Iginla and we'll think about it while Flames fans will say hell no.
Stepan is NOT getting moved especially if the player is not a proven top 6 center.
I know but I'm just trying to spare us all alot of time where our fanbases will bash each other most likely. Rangers fans will say offer Iginla and we'll think about it while Flames fans will say hell no.
Stepan is NOT getting moved especially if the player is not a proven top 6 center.
Yep, agreed. This thead had little potential to start with (IMO) the Flames are starting to gather prospects/etc and have no reason no reason to trade them at the moment.
Thats not true, the Flames could easily put together package for him.
Not saying it would be good for either club though.
If it wasn't good for the Rangers, then why would they do it? If they wouldn't, then you couldn't put a package together.
The Flames have nothing to offer that would make trading Stepan worthwhile. The Flames have one of the weakest prospect pools in the league, and the only players on their roster that would make any sort of difference for the Rangers are past their prime.
Out of curiosity what kind of player would the Ranger's part with Stepan for?
The only players I can think of that would get Sather to trade Stepan is a Giroux-caliber player. The Rangers have no reason at all to give Stepan away since he is the future of the team on attack, with Richards, Gaborik, Fedotenko and Rupp being veterans, he is developing nicely.
1) Salary cap considerations
2) To address a need by dealing from strength
3) To rebuild and acquire future assets
4) To go for it by dealing futures for current help
5) Overwhelmed by value of an offer
Ok, so let's think about the Rangers and Stepan:
Does it help the cap situation to deal him? No
By dealing away their #1 C and acquiring less players are they making their team better? No
Are they rebuilding by dealing away a young C? No
Are they improving their immediate chances by dealing their #1 C for other assets that are immediate helps? No
Are you overwhelming them with value? No
Basically you've just looked at a player you wanted, decided what assets you wouldn't mind giving up and asked if the other team is interested. No. They aren't. Teams in 1st place in their division don't trade a top line player away for pieces.
Richards isn't getting younger, Dubinsky is used as a LW, Anisimov the same. Stepan is still on his ELC which is good for a spending team like the Rangers + the fans and the organization loves him.
He's gonna be our #1 C (he's already playing on the 1st line, due to his chemistry with Gaborik) in the future. His value is way more than you can handle. I like Glencross alot but Stepan is untouchable.
We'd want a star center back no older than 30 if (big if) Stepan was traded.
Stepan fills a big need now and in the future, Calgary does not have the pieces to get Stepan. Stepan is on his ELC which is good for a spending team as I said earlier and the list goes on.
I get that you're curious and I have no problem with that. Just stating the facts . Stepan will not get moved unless it's a clear upgrade and the player is a center and is not over 30 years old (Cause of Richards age, looking out for our future).
Thanks for this kind of response, and to the majority of the Rangers posters for staying objective in this thread. All these are valid points. Staying within the Flames, I was hoping that Backlund was going to have a similar "breakout" season that Stepan is having this year. Stepan is showing that his upside is that of a #1C, while Backlund has showed that he "may" the upside of being a #2C. Again, all valid points, his age, potential, and his ELC hold a tremendous amount of value to the Rangers.
This is the exact type of player I feel the Flames should target. I can see based on NYR posters comments that the 2 teams would not be the best trading partners. As far as assets, if the Flames ever did decide to move Iginla, Stepan is definitely a player I would love to see them target. I would also put Gio, Backlund, our 1st and even Baertschi in play (even though the goal of acquiring Steapn should be to play with Baertschi).
1) Salary cap considerations
2) To address a need by dealing from strength
3) To rebuild and acquire future assets
4) To go for it by dealing futures for current help
5) Overwhelmed by value of an offer
Ok, so let's think about the Rangers and Stepan:
Does it help the cap situation to deal him? No
By dealing away their #1 C and acquiring less players are they making their team better? No
Are they rebuilding by dealing away a young C? No
Are they improving their immediate chances by dealing their #1 C for other assets that are immediate helps? No
Are you overwhelming them with value? No
Basically you've just looked at a player you wanted, decided what assets you wouldn't mind giving up and asked if the other team is interested. No. They aren't. Teams in 1st place in their division don't trade a top line player away for pieces.
Why are you spewing a bunch of jargon? In my OP I said I'll just throw some names out there, and the thread is "value of", so it is evident that you have a problem with reading and comprehension. I never made a proposal, so how did I decide what assets I wouldn't mind giving up. After reading some other poster comments, I agree that Iginla would probably be our only shot at Stepan, and that is assuming the Rangers wanted to go all in this year.
Why are you spewing a bunch of jargon? In my OP I said I'll just throw some names out there, and the thread is "value of", so it is evident that you have a problem with reading and comprehension. I never made a proposal, so how did I decide what assets I wouldn't mind giving up. After reading some other poster comments, I agree that Iginla would probably be our only shot at Stepan, and that is assuming the Rangers wanted to go all in this year.
If the Rangers traded Stepan for a 34 year old Iginla, I would cease being a Rangers fan.
The way some talk about him here you think he is the second coming of Crosby. Stepan will probably wind up being a very good #2 centerman, but I just don't see him being that elite #1 guy.
All that being said I still stand on my point if I want to win the cup in the next 2-3 years I take my chances with Iginla over Stepan, that being said if the Rangers wanted Iginla(and Calgary was willing to trade him) I would assume the Rangers would try offer up something else.
It may have something to do with the fact that he's already the Rangers' #1 C, and they're doing pretty good with him as #1 C. You figure he has to improve in the future, so why on Earth would they look to trade him?
Some may talk of him in elite standards already, but others are talking as if he's an unkown prospect. Maybe you don't see him as #1 C, but the Rangers do, and he's been playing that role for most of the season.
If the Rangers traded Stepan for a 34 year old Iginla, I would cease being a Rangers fan.
That you Brooksie? Save the drama, I wouldn't trade Stepan for Iginla either if I were a Rangers fan, but your club has certainly made dumber moves than that before, same with mine. The Flames could put together a package that would land Stepan easily, we're not talking about Crosby here... Bartschi, Glencross and Giordano gets it done in a second without Iginla even coming into the conversation.
It may have something to do with the fact that he's already the Rangers' #1 C, and they're doing pretty good with him as #1 C. You figure he has to improve in the future, so why on Earth would they look to trade him?
Some may talk of him in elite standards already, but others are talking as if he's an unkown prospect. Maybe you don't see him as #1 C, but the Rangers do, and he's been playing that role for most of the season.
Good post. I see him as a number 1 center, but not an elite #1 center. He needs wingers who can put the puck in the net, he can't carry a line the way the elite #1 centers can.
It may have something to do with the fact that he's already the Rangers' #1 C, and they're doing pretty good with him as #1 C. You figure he has to improve in the future, so why on Earth would they look to trade him?
Some may talk of him in elite standards already, but others are talking as if he's an unkown prospect. Maybe you don't see him as #1 C, but the Rangers do, and he's been playing that role for most of the season.
Stepan is on pace for 55 points. that's a nice pace for a 2nd line guy, first line not so much. All that being said as sub par a season Richards is having(compared to the rest of his career in terms of being close to a PPG player) I would still consider Richards the Rangers best Center at this point
Stepan is on pace for 55 points. that's a nice pace for a 2nd line guy, first line not so much. All that being said as sub par a season Richards is having(compared to the rest of his career in terms of being close to a PPG player) I would still consider Richards the Rangers best Center at this point
Stepan is playing on the #1 line and is producing on par with Richards. So I think it's fair to say he's the team's #1 center. I don't know if he'll ever score enough goals to be an elite #1 center, but are you seriously using a guy's point total from his second season at 21 years old?
Stepan is playing on the #1 line and is producing on par with Richards. So I think it's fair to say he's the team's #1 center. I don't know if he'll ever score enough goals to be an elite #1 center, but are you seriously using a guy's point total from his second season at 21 years old?
Well since the post I was responding to referred to this season, yes I am referring to his point totals for this season. Just because Stepan plays with Gaborik doesn't instantly mean he is the best center or #1 center on the team, it just means that the Rangers 2 best players in terms of generating points are split amongst 2 lines.
That you Brooksie? Save the drama, I wouldn't trade Stepan for Iginla either if I were a Rangers fan, but your club has certainly made dumber moves than that before, same with mine. The Flames could put together a package that would land Stepan easily, we're not talking about Crosby here... Bartschi, Glencross and Giordano gets it done in a second without Iginla even coming into the conversation.
That package makes the Rangers a much worse team (and I like Bartschi). The Rangers have no need for Giordano. Glencross would be a luxury, not a necessity, and while Bartschi would be nice, that's filling one hole by opening a bigger one.
Stepan is more important to the Rangers than anything the Flames can offer them.
Stepan is the best center the Rangers have drafted and developed in over a quarter of a century. Trading him for anything less than a superior center not yet in his prime would be a catastrophe.
That package makes the Rangers a much worse team (and I like Bartschi). The Rangers have no need for Giordano. Glencross would be a luxury, not a necessity, and while Bartschi would be nice, that's filling one hole by opening a bigger one.
Stepan is more important to the Rangers than anything the Flames can offer them.
Stepan is the best center the Rangers have drafted and developed in over a quarter of a century. Trading him for anything less than a superior center not yet in his prime would be a catastrophe.
Oh wow, if you think a top 20 prospect, a top pairing defenseman and a top 6 winger all relatively young and on kick ass contracts is not enough then I think you have some homer glasses on. Stepan is a good player, but that's more than anyone would even dream of paying for him. He's a smallish 15-20 goal, 50-60 point center. Glencross alone would be just as good for right now.
. Stepan will not get moved unless it's a clear upgrade and the player is a center and is not over 30 years old (Cause of Richards age, looking out for our future).
