compare forwards something you need pt producers.
Jokinen (33) 50 pts Iggy (34) 48 Tanguay (32) 34 Glencross (29) 33 Cammalleri (29) 30 Stempniak (29 ) 24 EDM Eberle (21) 60 pts Hall (20) 45 Gagner (22) 40 Smyth (36) 39 RNH (18) 35 Horcoff (33 ) 30 Hemsky (28 ) 26 Our 30 + players are in our top three scorers there's aren't .Then compare some young roster players Backlund Bouma Jones Horack to Lander Paajarvi Jones Omark . our d may be marginal better and both have old goalies but Kipper has the clear edge there. Look at the prospects in both systems Edm a clear winner there. Still think all we need to do is retool lol
compare forwards something you need pt producers.
Jokinen (33) 50 pts Iggy (34) 48 Tanguay (32) 34 Glencross (29) 33 Cammalleri (29) 30 Stempniak (29 ) 24 EDM Eberle (21) 60 pts Hall (20) 45 Gagner (22) 40 Smyth (36) 39 RNH (18) 35 Horcoff (33 ) 30 Hemsky (28 ) 26 Our 30 + players are in our top three scorers there's aren't .Then compare some young roster players Backlund Bouma Jones Horack to Lander Paajarvi Jones Omark . our d may be marginal better and both have old goalies but Kipper has the clear edge there. Look at the prospects in both systems Edm a clear winner there. Still think all we need to do is retool lol
Jokinen, Iggy and Tanguay are clearly providing more than Horcoff, Hemsky and Smyth. No one debates that.
But RNH, Hall, Eberle and Gagner are much further along than Backlund, Horak, etc. Its not really debatable.
Jokinen, Iggy and Tanguay are clearly providing more than Horcoff, Hemsky and Smyth. No one debates that.
But RNH, Hall, Eberle and Gagner are much further along than Backlund, Horak, etc. Its not really debatable.
I agree that the Oilers have a better, young core at forward than the Flames. It really isn't that close even if people included Baertschi, Ferland, and Granlund as possible future NHLers.
However, one also has to look at the defence. The Flames' defensive core has good, relatively young pieces to build around - Bouwmeester (28), Giordano (28), Butler (25), Brodie (21), and Smith (27).
Edmonton has Whitney (29), Gilbert (29), Barker (26), Smid (26), and Petry (24). The Oilers, though, do have Klefblom, but he isn't enough to make up the gap between the two teams.
The Oilers clearly have the better young players, especially up front. But they should have that glut of young talent over the Flames. While the Flames have been in the playoffs or in the mix for the playoffs for the better part of the past seven years the Oilers have been non-competitive. The Oilers have only made the post season twice in the past nine years and their worst draft position in the last five was at 22. They have two number one overall picks in the lineup and have drafted 8 times in the first round in the last five drafts. The Oilers average first round pick in the past five years has been in the 6 slot. During that same time period the Flames best draft position has been at 13 have drafted 4 players in the first round. The Flames average first round pick in the past five years has been in the 21 slot. Think that gives the Oilers a little bit of an advantage when it comes to the future?
I agree that the Oilers have a better, young core at forward than the Flames. It really isn't that close even if people included Baertschi, Ferland, and Granlund as possible future NHLers.
However, one also has to look at the defence. The Flames' defensive core has good, relatively young pieces to build around - Bouwmeester (28), Giordano (28), Butler (25), Brodie (21), and Smith (27).
Edmonton has Whitney (29), Gilbert (29), Barker (26), Smid (26), and Petry (24). The Oilers, though, do have Klefblom, but he isn't enough to make up the gap between the two teams.
and Edmonton has Marincin, Gernat, Brandon Davidson etc., the Oilers are loaded with "B" and "C" level D prospect....and so are we....but we are no farther along in D prospects then them...
With Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Gernat, Simpson, Davidson etc., I'd say the Oilers young D are better then ours.
No doubt the Oilers need a Top flight Hedman, Pietrangelo type to build around....
and Edmonton has Marincin, Gernat, Brandon Davidson etc., the Oilers are loaded with "B" and "C" level D prospect....and so are we....but we are no farther along in D prospects then them...
With Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Gernat, Simpson, Davidson etc., I'd say the Oilers young D are better then ours.
No doubt the Oilers need a Top flight Hedman, Pietrangelo type to build around....
Keep in mind the Oilers may add that piece this comming draft, with what is likely another top 3 pick. Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Gernat look great at the WHL level, but have proven nothing yet. However, Petry is beginning to look like a top pairing D, and if Whitney comes back to form, the D may actually be quite good next year.
The Oilers situation in net though, is looking somewhat bleak at the moment. Dubynk is very inconsistent, and Khabi is done.
At some point, in order to get those top end forwards, the Flames are going to have to consider trading away some of the older players.
The Oilers clearly have the better young players, especially up front. But they should have that glut of young talent over the Flames. While the Flames have been in the playoffs or in the mix for the playoffs for the better part of the past seven years the Oilers have been non-competitive. The Oilers have only made the post season twice in the past nine years and their worst draft position in the last five was at 22. They have two number one overall picks in the lineup and have drafted 8 times in the first round in the last five drafts. The Oilers average first round pick in the past five years has been in the 6 slot. During that same time period the Flames best draft position has been at 13 have drafted 4 players in the first round. The Flames average first round pick in the past five years has been in the 21 slot. Think that gives the Oilers a little bit of an advantage when it comes to the future?
So being in the MIX and getting booted in the first round is worth the suffering that's going to take place when the old guys no longer produce and the suspects drafted at pos 21 dont pan out. I hope Feaster has the Ok to ask Iggy & Kipper to move for something now rather than nothing in 2 years.
Is this even a question they have no hope of ever being better than us.
after this season and next there will be about 10 teams better than us in this conf . 2 years from now based on contracts and team history . Jokinen 35 Iggy 36 Tanguay 34 glencross 31 Cammalleri 31 Kipper 37 and suspect prospects . I think the battle for 10th should be a hoot. Don't try and throw out the UFA argument with a roster as above no young talent wants to come here and waste their time. Move Iggy & Kipper both sides deserve it.
after this season and next there will be about 10 teams better than us in this conf . 2 years from now based on contracts and team history . Jokinen 35 Iggy 36 Tanguay 34 glencross 31 Cammalleri 31 Kipper 37 and suspect prospects . I think the battle for 10th should be a hoot. Don't try and throw out the UFA argument with a roster as above no young talent wants to come here and waste their time. Move Iggy & Kipper both sides deserve it.
I agree we blow we couldn't beat edmonton this week so we need a full scale rebuild if possible move the team back to atlanta too!
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after this season and next there will be about 10 teams better than us in this conf . 2 years from now based on contracts and team history . Jokinen 35 Iggy 36 Tanguay 34 glencross 31 Cammalleri 31 Kipper 37 and suspect prospects . I think the battle for 10th should be a hoot. Don't try and throw out the UFA argument with a roster as above no young talent wants to come here and waste their time. Move Iggy & Kipper both sides deserve it.
EDM is slow... there gonna be a bad team for a long time... i live here and there is no respect for the players here, taylor hall had one bill board in the ****test area of town when he was drafted and i dont remember anything for RNH... Hall, eberle, and RNH are gonna want soo much to stay in this **** stain of a city... also they refuse to draft d man... smid whitney and gilbert are 3 or 4th dman at best... there just not a hockey smart team... plus they still think dubnyk will be an allstar goalie...
So after Columbus trades Nash, select Yakupov, and then sign a few left overs in the off season, they will have a brighter future than us? Isn't that the team you want to cheer for mjw22?
I'm sure the John McConnell is jumping for joy right now knowing his asset will be losing money for the next 5 years. I'm sure he's ****ing ecstatic that he has to try to convince his only customers to stay loyal through the rebuild, or otherwise simply come back to Nationwide Arena after 5 years when they are back in business.
compare forwards something you need pt producers.
Jokinen (33) 50 pts Iggy (34) 48 Tanguay (32) 34 Glencross (29) 33 Cammalleri (29) 30 Stempniak (29 ) 24 EDM Eberle (21) 60 pts Hall (20) 45 Gagner (22) 40 Smyth (36) 39 RNH (18) 35 Horcoff (33 ) 30 Hemsky (28 ) 26 Our 30 + players are in our top three scorers there's aren't .Then compare some young roster players Backlund Bouma Jones Horack to Lander Paajarvi Jones Omark . our d may be marginal better and both have old goalies but Kipper has the clear edge there. Look at the prospects in both systems Edm a clear winner there. Still think all we need to do is retool lol
Passing 3rd grade English would have really helped you make a point here.
Like what ? All you reTOOL guys want to keep Iggy Kipper Tanguay so excactly what great assets do we have to bring in players that are going to help us get to the top 4and win a couple rounds. Oh right sorry fighting for 8th is just so much more exciting. Just a minute there I put on my beer goggles and now everything is so much better .
So after Columbus trades Nash, select Yakupov, and then sign a few left overs in the off season, they will have a brighter future than us? Isn't that the team you want to cheer for mjw22?
I'm sure the John McConnell is jumping for joy right now knowing his asset will be losing money for the next 5 years. I'm sure he's ****ing ecstatic that he has to try to convince his only customers to stay loyal through the rebuild, or otherwise simply come back to Nationwide Arena after 5 years when they are back in business.
That might be the only team we will be better than in 2 years
That might be the only team we will be better than in 2 years
I agree move the team clearly these fans don't get it at all. Lets go back to Atlanta where the fans won't show up and the owners will know it is time for change.
No missing the playoffs is a broken record . This team has some young guys to build around Moss Glencross Cammalleri Brodie Giordano Irving Baertschi Rienhart Horak Jones. Keeping Iggy Kipper & Tanguay will only keep us where we're at a core of old players getting older. If we can get a good return and they waive the no trades why not move them.Are they going to put up better numbers next year and the one after that I dont think so . They also need to buy out or bury some of these guys like Stajan Kolanos etc. Anyone whos D.O.B. is in the 70's should go . Moving aging assets dumping bad contracts and borderline players is what smart teams do.
No missing the playoffs is a broken record . This team has some young guys to build around Moss Glencross Cammalleri Brodie Giordano Irving Baertschi Rienhart Horak Jones. Keeping Iggy Kipper & Tanguay will only keep us where we're at a core of old players getting older. If we can get a good return and they waive the no trades why not move them.Are they going to put up better numbers next year and the one after that I dont think so . They also need to buy out or bury some of these guys like Stajan Kolanos etc. Anyone whos D.O.B. is in the 70's should go . Moving aging assets dumping bad contracts and borderline players is what smart teams do.
I agree having nhl calibre players is overrated lets put stajan in the minors because he will help the youth down there then we can begin the tank because us real fans care more about 5 years from now than the teams we currently have. Yet another good point.
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