I agree move the team clearly these fans don't get it at all. Lets go back to Atlanta where the fans won't show up and the owners will know it is time for change.
Same old same old seems to be fine I guess .It's worked so well the last three years. Keep the fan favorites aging as they are at the expense of the future. Hmmm good way to stay fighting for 8th every year. I so look forward to it.
Same old same old seems to be fine I guess .It's worked so well the last three years. Keep the fan favorites aging as they are at the expense of the future. Hmmm good way to stay fighting for 8th every year. I so look forward to it.
I agree with you lets move the team where real fans won't show up because we know that what we could have 5 years now is more important than what we have now.
I agree having nhl calibre players is overrated lets put stajan in the minors because he will help the youth down there then we can begin the tank because us real fans care more about 5 years from now than the teams we currently have. Yet another good point.
You couldn't give that NHL caliber Stajan away . If you think he's a talent you must have cried when they fired Darryl. 11 goals in 143 games wow lets go get some more talent like this.
You couldn't give that NHL caliber Stajan away . If you think he's a talent you must have cried when they fired Darryl. 11 goals in 143 games wow lets go get some more talent like this.
I agree a player only has value if he can score goals regardless of where he plays. Backlund only has 4 goals so we should dump him in the ahl too.
I agree with you lets move the team where real fans won't show up because we know that what we could have 5 years now is more important than what we have now.
That lets move the team reply is getting old just like Iggy . Come up with a point that makes sense . Why are you so against moving popular players who are on the backside of their careers. Do you like where we've been the last 2-3 years and where we may be the next 5 if we don't seriously upgrade the age and talent on this team.
I agree a player only has value if he can score goals regardless of where he plays. Backlund only has 4 goals so we should dump him in the ahl too.
Buddy for what we pay Stajan and his age he damn well better score some goals. He sucks that's why he's never going to be on the top 2 lines. Jones is a way better deal why would you want to pay a plumber that kind of money . Backlund goes to the ahl if he performs this way next year I didn't think we drafted him to score 4 goals a year.
wow... are we falling apart this fast??? were not where the oilers or leafs werewe have more options, we need to sell off some some talent but we need to keep spme in order to have proper player development... iggy even if he scores 14 points will be great for that, going into a rebuild/tool/overhaul he could be the most valuable just for that alone.
we have a prospect pool, that with some more drafting, will be very solid, and who knows maybe bartschi is our next iggy who was drafted 11th overall or maybe hes our next fata, krahn, or tkaczuk... we all have to just wait.
wow... are we falling apart this fast??? were not where the oilers or leafs werewe have more options, we need to sell off some some talent but we need to keep spme in order to have proper player development... iggy even if he scores 14 points will be great for that, going into a rebuild/tool/overhaul he could be the most valuable just for that alone.
we have a prospect pool, that with some more drafting, will be very solid, and who knows maybe bartschi is our next iggy who was drafted 11th overall or maybe hes our next fata, krahn, or tkaczuk... we all have to just wait.
Cant keep him around for that . Want a captain playing on the 3rd line or are you going to strip him of the captaincy .
Cant keep him around for that . Want a captain playing on the 3rd line or are you going to strip him of the captaincy .
This notion that your captain has to be your best player is idiotic. NYR's, Jets, Lightning, Avs, Stars, Kings, etc say otherwise. Leadership isnt measured by how much points you put up, Washington says what up.
This notion that your captain has to be your best player is idiotic. NYR's, Jets, Lightning, Avs, Stars, Kings, etc say otherwise. Leadership isnt measured by how much points you put up, Washington says what up.
Just saying I don't think Iggy's going to want to hang around on the 3-4 lines putting up 14 pts.
I don't think you know what Iggy wants. I don't think you know a damn thing about Iggy. Just saying.
I know enough to know he isn't going to hang around and be a 3-4 line player . But hey you know all their is to know right so go back to fantasy land with your make believe deadline deals .
I know enough to know he isn't going to hang around and be a 3-4 line player . But hey you know all their is to know right so go back to fantasy land with your make believe deadline deals .
Actually, Iginla just wants to stay in Calgary and play hockey. So I doubt he'll mind if he's the 3rd line right winger or the 4th. But apparently you know whats the best for the franchise, so why don't you go get yourself a copy of EA's NHL 12 and start a Be a GM mode with the Calgary Flames and trade Iglina to Boston, Kipper to Detroit and bury Stajan in the minors and blow up the team.
Actually, Iginla just wants to stay in Calgary and play hockey. So I doubt he'll mind if he's the 3rd line right winger or the 4th. But apparently you know whats the best for the franchise, so why don't you go get yourself a copy of EA's NHL 12 and start a Be a GM mode with the Calgary Flames and trade Iglina to Boston, Kipper to Detroit and bury Stajan in the minors and blow up the team.
That's what Feaster should do but won't. I'll leave all the FANTASY trades for you believers . As long as you enjoy missing the play offs or fighting for that much coveted 8th place for the next 3-5 years you'll be happy.
That's what Feaster should do but won't. I'll leave all the FANTASY trades for you believers . As long as you enjoy missing the play offs or fighting for that much coveted 8th place for the next 3-5 years you'll be happy.
If it means being competitive and not losing every 8 of 10 games, then sure why not. Okay, I'll stick to making up 'fantasy trades' and you can just cover all the whining about how Flames are too old and how we are gonna miss the playoffs for the next billion years.
I think the biggest obstacle for your team is having multiple owners. The Flames need to go with a rebuilding movement before they completely bust like the Oilers did, although unlikely but it could happen. With all the assets the Flames have right now a rebuild wouldn't be quite as painful as the Oilers/Pens/Chg rebuilds were. The thing is with multiple owners they will never be able to fully agree to go with a rebuild therefor mediocrity is a result. A good team can stem from this mediocrity but a great one will not, especially with an aging core. Iginla/Kipper/Taungay/Jokinen/Bowmeester can bring in big assets to go along with Bartschie, Brodie, Nemisz etc. If I were a Flames fan I'd rather miss the playoffs for a year or two while reshaping the team rather than have the team claw their way to a playoff spot with older players at the cap ceiling.
Soooo for now I'd say the Oilers future is brighter, it's hard to deny... BUT if the Flames make the right moves by not hanging on to aging players I think they can make this a conversation.
I think the biggest obstacle for your team is having multiple owners. The Flames need to go with a rebuilding movement before they completely bust like the Oilers did, although unlikely but it could happen. With all the assets the Flames have right now a rebuild wouldn't be quite as painful as the Oilers/Pens/Chg rebuilds were. The thing is with multiple owners they will never be able to fully agree to go with a rebuild therefor mediocrity is a result. A good team can stem from this mediocrity but a great one will not, especially with an aging core. Iginla/Kipper/Taungay/Jokinen/Bowmeester can bring in big assets to go along with Bartschie, Brodie, Nemisz etc. If I were a Flames fan I'd rather miss the playoffs for a year or two while reshaping the team rather than have the team claw their way to a playoff spot with older players at the cap ceiling.
Soooo for now I'd say the Oilers future is brighter, it's hard to deny... BUT if the Flames make the right moves by not hanging on to aging players I think they can make this a conversation.
I'd have to say agree with most of what you say with the exception of who you put on the aging core that should be moved. Iggy and Kipper being moved for blue chips makes sense as they would grab at least more than the rest. Also with Irving looking more and more like the NHL starter we all hoped he'd be I become more and more accepting of a trade involving Kiprusoff. (Not saying I dislike Kiprusoff, my collection of jersey and signed paraphernalia would beg to differ) However, Jokinen has proved this season what Flames fans have always hoped he would and thats that he is a 1st line center. The problem is he's a free agent, and if the flames move Kipper, that where Jokinen will likely take a pay cut to play.
Also, Bou is only 28, I would keep him and Gio as the Oilers have shown (No Offense) That it is hard to have confidence as a team when you have awful team defense. I would also keep Tangs, because I like him and I don't believe he holds much value to the rest of the league.
That lets move the team reply is getting old just like Iggy . Come up with a point that makes sense . Why are you so against moving popular players who are on the backside of their careers. Do you like where we've been the last 2-3 years and where we may be the next 5 if we don't seriously upgrade the age and talent on this team.
That's rich.
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Cant keep him around for that . Want a captain playing on the 3rd line or are you going to strip him of the captaincy .
