The Owners and the Players cannot be stupid enough to have another lockout less than 10 years from the last one...the NHL, as a league, would absolutely die if that were to happen in my opinion.
Depriving fans of this game shouldn't happen. I understand why it did happen the original go-round, and I think in the end, it may have saved hockey, at least in the short term. Because revenues went up each year, etc.
But there's no excuse for another lockout this time...they will simply lose too many fans.
You would like to think they can all see that, but the NHLPA are poised to force one, the way they are acting. Voting down the new alignment structure, which everyone wanted, was just the first shot fired. You can bet they will fight tooth and nail against any cap on length of contracts, even if it makes sense for the health of the league. Hiring Fehr was probably the worst thing that could have happened. That dude wont compromise for ****.
You would like to think they can all see that, but the NHLPA are poised to force one, the way they are acting. Voting down the new alignment structure, which everyone wanted, was just the first shot fired. You can bet they will fight tooth and nail against any cap on length of contracts, even if it makes sense for the health of the league. Hiring Fehr was probably the worst thing that could have happened. That dude wont compromise for ****.
Why should the players have to compromise once again because the morons signing their checks can't be bothered to show even a little bit of restraint? At some point the owners have to police themselves instead of making new rules they're going to circumvent anyway.
And don't get pissy with the players over realignment. Again, why should they just lay down and accept that proposal when the league did NOTHING to answer their questions on it and then forced their hand by making up some ******** excuse about scheduling so they could impose a fake deadline? That was merely engineered to make the PA look bad, and it sure looks like it worked judging from your reaction. I'm not a fan of Fehr's, but the PA kind of painted themselves into a corner when they stupidly ousted Paul Kelly.
Nope, not with the owners one bit here. If they're gonna choose to kill off professional hockey once and for all, it's 100% on them, not the players.
Why should the players have to compromise once again because the morons signing their checks can't be bothered to show even a little bit of restraint? At some point the owners have to police themselves instead of making new rules they're going to circumvent anyway.
And don't get pissy with the players over realignment. Again, why should they just lay down and accept that proposal when the league did NOTHING to answer their questions on it and then forced their hand by making up some ******** excuse about scheduling so they could impose a fake deadline? That was merely engineered to make the PA look bad, and it sure looks like it worked judging from your reaction. I'm not a fan of Fehr's, but the PA kind of painted themselves into a corner when they stupidly ousted Paul Kelly.
Nope, not with the owners one bit here. If they're gonna choose to kill off professional hockey once and for all, it's 100% on them, not the players.
i'm with Bill on this . I agree at 100% about what he said ....
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You would like to think they can all see that, but the NHLPA are poised to force one, the way they are acting. Voting down the new alignment structure, which everyone wanted, was just the first shot fired. You can bet they will fight tooth and nail against any cap on length of contracts, even if it makes sense for the health of the league. Hiring Fehr was probably the worst thing that could have happened. That dude wont compromise for ****.
Why should the players have to compromise once again because the morons signing their checks can't be bothered to show even a little bit of restraint? At some point the owners have to police themselves instead of making new rules they're going to circumvent anyway.
And don't get pissy with the players over realignment. Again, why should they just lay down and accept that proposal when the league did NOTHING to answer their questions on it and then forced their hand by making up some ******** excuse about scheduling so they could impose a fake deadline? That was merely engineered to make the PA look bad, and it sure looks like it worked judging from your reaction. I'm not a fan of Fehr's, but the PA kind of painted themselves into a corner when they stupidly ousted Paul Kelly.
Nope, not with the owners one bit here. If they're gonna choose to kill off professional hockey once and for all, it's 100% on them, not the players.
This is a fantastic post, well done Av-merican. Gm's/owners sign players with ridiculous contracts like Dipietro and Lenio, and it's the players fault?
'm scared that there might be a lockout for next season but I don't think the NHL is stupid enough to go down the route once again. I also think there won't be salary cap for next season. I for one would welcome that.
Why should the players have to compromise once again because the morons signing their checks can't be bothered to show even a little bit of restraint? At some point the owners have to police themselves instead of making new rules they're going to circumvent anyway.
And don't get pissy with the players over realignment. Again, why should they just lay down and accept that proposal when the league did NOTHING to answer their questions on it and then forced their hand by making up some ******** excuse about scheduling so they could impose a fake deadline? That was merely engineered to make the PA look bad, and it sure looks like it worked judging from your reaction. I'm not a fan of Fehr's, but the PA kind of painted themselves into a corner when they stupidly ousted Paul Kelly.
Nope, not with the owners one bit here. If they're gonna choose to kill off professional hockey once and for all, it's 100% on them, not the players.
Clam down there, grumpy bear. No one here is "pissy". I'm not saying the PA is all at fault, just an observation that they are on a path that will force the Owners to lock them out, despite the fact that it's the worst thing either can do.. Both sides must compromise to get a deal done, as they did with the current CBA.
This is a fantastic post, well done Av-merican. Gm's/owners sign players with ridiculous contracts like Dipietro and Lenio, and it's the players fault?
'm scared that there might be a lockout for next season but I don't think the NHL is stupid enough to go down the route once again. I also think there won't be salary cap for next season. I for one would welcome that.
I wouldn't. Then you'll have GM's like Kenny Holland spending retarded amounts on 1 year contracts to try and buy The Cup.
This is a fantastic post, well done Av-merican. Gm's/owners sign players with ridiculous contracts like Dipietro and Lenio, and it's the players fault?
'm scared that there might be a lockout for next season but I don't think the NHL is stupid enough to go down the route once again. I also think there won't be salary cap for next season. I for one would welcome that.
Then a teams like Winnipeg, ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary are done and as for us in Québec we can forget about having a team back .
Montreal too btw , they will be in trouble , the all mighty Canadiens . it's not the first lock out , you know , when Montreal and Toronto are waiting for new building to make cash . Montreal , like it or not is somewhat a small market too in 2012
The only teams that can survive, long term , in a NHL cap free are Toronto and Vancouver
Clam down there, grumpy bear. No one here is "pissy". I'm not saying the PA is all at fault, just an observation that they are on a path that will force the Owners to lock them out, despite the fact that it's the worst thing either can do.. Both sides must compromise to get a deal done, as they did with the current CBA.
Fair point, "pissy" may have been a bit strong.
Thing is, what enrages me is that the owners are breaking their own GD rules. The rules they nearly killed hockey to get. And now not only are salaries seemingly out of control again, clutch-and-grab is back. It's like we lost a season for nothing.
True, compromises will have to be made AGAIN, but it just seems silly to me the players will once again have to bend over because the owners can't help themselves.
The one thing the PA does have to get through their heads is that in a cap system, trying to go for the biggest salary possible isn't the best thing for the union. Because if one or two guys are getting most of the pie, that means there's less for everyone else.
The things that need to change pronto are more penalties in terms of compensation for RFAs (it used to be you had to give up a roster player in some cases, reason why St. Louis essentially "traded" Scott Stevens for Brendan Shanahan), the 35+ rule needs to be relaxed a bit, and yeah, apparently GMs and owners need to be restricted from offering double-digit length contracts.
Thing is, what enrages me is that the owners are breaking their own GD rules. The rules they nearly killed hockey to get. And now not only are salaries seemingly out of control again, clutch-and-grab is back. It's like we lost a season for nothing.
True, compromises will have to be made AGAIN, but it just seems silly to me the players will once again have to bend over because the owners can't help themselves.
The one thing the PA does have to get through their heads is that in a cap system, trying to go for the biggest salary possible isn't the best thing for the union. Because if one or two guys are getting most of the pie, that means there's less for everyone else.
The things that need to change pronto are more penalties in terms of compensation for RFAs (it used to be you had to give up a roster player in some cases, reason why St. Louis essentially "traded" Scott Stevens for Brendan Shanahan), the 35+ rule needs to be relaxed a bit, and yeah, apparently GMs and owners need to be restricted from offering double-digit length contracts.
Yeah the compensation for offersheets should go down ;D.
No seriously the biggest issue for me in the new CBA has to be length of contract. There should not be a contract for more than 4 or at max 5 years. That way there wont be any cap circumventing Kovalchuk contracts and it will immensely improve the yearly FA pool. Therefore GMs wont spend on guys like Leino because there will be better options available. No more Gomez or DiPietro contracts. The "whatever I just send this guy to the AHL if he sucks and get rid of his big caphit" hole needs to be fixed as well.
And they will have to adress player safety. Visors and so on has to become mandatory. And they really have to look at the pads and maybe focus on helmet develoment.
And please no lockout. I suffered through the NFL and NBA lockout last year. Dont need another one.
I am really interested how this will play out. I mean if we have to re-sign our guys under the old CBA because it does not expire on July 1st it kinda defeats the whole purpose or not?
...the biggest issue for me in the new CBA has to be length of contract. There should not be a contract for more than 4 or at max 5 years. That way there wont be any cap circumventing Kovalchuk contracts and it will immensely improve the yearly FA pool. Therefore GMs wont spend on guys like Leino because there will be better options available. No more Gomez or DiPietro contracts.
I'd be fine with a max contact length of 6 or 7 years. That's not too long.
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The "whatever I just send this guy to the AHL if he sucks and get rid of his big caphit" hole needs to be fixed as well.
Absolutely. Easy fix is making any player's salary, that's on a one way deal, fully count against the cap, even if sent down.
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And they will have to adress player safety. Visors and so on has to become mandatory. And they really have to look at the pads and maybe focus on helmet development.
I would be fine with making all incoming players wear mandatory visors. I think you'd have a hard time convincing the PA to force all current players to wear them. IMO, they are doing a good job on working with concussions, but yes, they definitely need to work harder on equipment development, esp. helmets.
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And please no lockout. I suffered through the NFL and NBA lockout last year. Dont need another one.
I am really interested how this will play out. I mean if we have to re-sign our guys under the old CBA because it does not expire on July 1st it kinda defeats the whole purpose or not?
Given how well trading away a high first-rounder last year went, there's a better chance of Cody McLeod winning the Rocket Richard next year than Columbus dealing away their 1st. And I doubt we'd get that when Duchene's value is currently at it's very lowest.
Lol If it were up to you the avs would trade all their struggling player. Hey, at least you didn't some how include Semin.
Duchene can return a top pairing defenseman. Semin, however, is a good mention. The Avalanche should make a run at him in the free agency market; not at all costs but definitely pursued if he has any interest in return.
]Duchene can return a top pairing defenseman. Semin, however, is a good mention. The Avalanche should make a run at him in the free agency market; not at all costs but definitely pursued if he has any interest in return.
I doubt an injured one can.
As for Wol...I mean Stew... sorrySemin thanks but no thanks, there are better players who would come with a similar price tag and they give more than 40% effort. They're also not a KHL risk.
As for Wol...I mean Stew... sorrySemin thanks but no thanks, there are better players who would come with a similar price tag and they give more than 40% effort. They are also not a KHL risk.
Semin is far superior to Wolski and Stewart, and he has a very underrated two-way game. KHL risk? If he wants to bolt he can bolt this off-season; he either has interest in the NHL or not, he'll get a good term and he'll get minutes because despite your opinion you cannot deny that he is a legitimate top-6 forward to say the least.
Duchene should be shopped for players like Kulikov. I doubt Kulikov would be traded for Duchene alone but we never know; there are similar types of players out there that should be explored that are either #2 defensemen or on the precipice.
As for Wol...I mean Stew... sorrySemin thanks but no thanks, there are better players who would come with a similar price tag and they give more than 40% effort. They are also not a KHL risk.
Yup, even I thought Semin was worth at least a look at one time but it's astounding how utterly worthless he's been down the stretch. He hasn't registered a SINGLE POINT in March.
This team has made great strides in the "hard to play against" category. They don't need to take a step back from that. I was pushing hard for this team to spend big in the offseason but given the market I'd be fine if they kept it modest.
bSemin is far superior to Wolski and Stewart in terms of talent but he's just as lazy. Semin will go to the highest bidder, if a team is dumb enough to offer 6 million for 6 yrs he will go and it would a fatal for that team. The guy can't even give it his all in a contract year, imagin if he hadny security? The guy would probably stop showig up n practise literally.h
bSemin is far superior to Wolski and Stewart in terms of talent but he's just as lazy. Semin will go to the highest bidder, if a team is dumb enough to offer 6 million for 6 yrs he will go and it would a fatal for that team. The guy can't even give it his all in a contract year, imagin if he hadny security? The guy would probably stop showig up n practise literally.h
1st of all no one will sign him for six years and secondly he's been the Caps best player since december and he's the main reason they're in a position to fight for a playoff spot, so I wouldn't say he didn't show up this season.
IMO, Semin gets a bad rap because he's Russian. He's a pretty good player. $6M per year player? No, but if Grabovski gets $5.5, Stastny $6, Bouwmeester $6.7, Gomez $7.4, Lecavalier $7.7, Doughty $7....
IMO, Semin gets a bad rap because he's Russian. He's a pretty good player. $6M per year player? No, but if Grabovski gets $5.5, Stastny $6, Bouwmeester $6.7, Gomez $7.4, Lecavalier $7.7, Doughty $7....
For me, Semin = Sergei Fedorov or Alexei Kovalev. Incredibly talented and when he shows up and plays as well as he can, he's a difference maker. The issue is WHEN he shows up. Fedorov used to be a top 5 player in the league in the early 90s. Then he went to Anaheim and started 'sitting' on his reputation and he'd be invisible for long stretches [I think this even started in Detroit and that's why they let him go] and then he'd have a great game...rinse and repeat. The exact same thing can be said for Kovalev. I remember Habs fans being so excited about this guy joining their team and yeah, he actually played extremely well for almost a whole season. One out of four.
Semin is extremely talented and I don't think anyone would refute that but the Avs are trying to do something special here and there is NO ROOM on this team for someone who doesn't go out there and do his best on a nightly basis.
GIANT PASS from me anyways. This is counter-productive to what they are trying to do here.
