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02-25-2012, 01:35 PM
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Thank you.

I see no need to disrupt a winning line-up when said player has been out performing the player who is being put in. Toughness really is being over-rated on here, IMO.
Yes, but do you really think Carkner has been THAT bad?

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02-25-2012, 01:41 PM
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Yes, but do you really think Carkner has been THAT bad?
He's better than how he has been playing this season, or at least has the ability to. But he really has been arguably the worst D-man on our side whenever he's played. I don't believe this is a situation of my opinion on Carkner, but rather my opinion of how Brian Lee has been playing.

You know that I have always defended Brian Lee, and he's been very steady and solid on the back end this season and I would feel a lot more comfortable with him on the back end than Carkner. I understand the argument surrounding "toughness" and it's necessity in games against teams like the Bruins, but it isn't the be all and end all like some are claiming.

If Carkner can play positionally sound tonight, agitate and not take stupid penalties because of his poor skating in comparison to others, then great. But I find it unlikely.

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02-25-2012, 01:43 PM
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Unless Thomas pulls a Thomas tonight it's an easy win.

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02-25-2012, 01:48 PM
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He's better than how he has been playing this season, or at least has the ability to. But he really has been arguably the worst D-man on our side whenever he's played. I don't believe this is a situation of my opinion on Carkner, but rather my opinion of how Brian Lee has been playing.

You know that I have always defended Brian Lee, and he's been very steady and solid on the back end this season and I would feel a lot more comfortable with him on the back end than Carkner. I understand the argument surrounding "toughness" and it's necessity in games against teams like the Bruins, but it isn't the be all and end all like some are claiming.

If Carkner can play positionally sound tonight, agitate and not take stupid penalties because of his poor skating in comparison to others, then great. But I find it unlikely.
I actually agree with.....MartyStraka??...toughness isn't really that important against the Bruins.

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02-25-2012, 01:53 PM
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Dissapointing... A young player is building confidence, playing well, team is winning with him in the lineup... Lets scratch him!! That will do wonders for him... Lee is our most physical dman so lets scratch him for a pylon who cant skate or pass...

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Carkner can skate or pass just as well as Lee really. Lee has certainly played better and doesn't deserve this, but never go full retard.

It's a game against the Bruins, not even a surprise.

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02-25-2012, 01:55 PM
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I actually agree with.....MartyStraka??...toughness isn't really that important against the Bruins.
Let me take a wild guess. You live in Vancouver right?

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If Carkner can play positionally sound tonight, agitate and not take stupid penalties because of his poor skating in comparison to others, then great. But I find it unlikely.
Then your predictions are as bad as your player analysis. You just described Carkner in 0ver 95% of the games he's played.

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02-25-2012, 01:59 PM
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Let me take a wild guess. You live in Vancouver right?
By "toughness", I mean "fighters". Every team needs to play tough every game, but not neccessarily a bunch of fighters.

See what I mean?

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By "toughness", I mean "fighters". Every team needs to play tough every game, but not neccessarily a bunch of fighters.

See what I mean?
Unfortunately the Bruins have at least 3 players who force you to fight depending on how the game goes. They don't ask "would you like to" like our guys do they start throwing and you either fight or dive. Carkner can handle himself with anyone except Chara but Chara won't usually start trouble on his own. I don't think Lee deserves to be out and a better puck mover may be more useful but Stache decided he wants to keep the Bruins honest around the net so what can I say. You can't fault him for that.

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02-25-2012, 02:21 PM
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What I understand is that I'd prefer a player who can play positionally sound and be a part of an 11-0-1 team when playing rather than one who is sought after for just toughness.
You literally just described Carkner's game, just as well as Lee's.

So perfect/typical hf, the land of 5 game memories.

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02-25-2012, 02:23 PM
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You literally just described Carkner's game, just as well as Lee's.

So perfect/typical hf, the land of 5 game memories.
Except the whole Carkner NOT being positionally sound as of late and being beat more than he should be.

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LMAO at all of you thinking you're better at taking decisions than Maclean.

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LMAO at all of you thinking you're better at taking decisions than Maclean.
The Sens forum has been populated by former, current and future Jack Adams winners since its' inception.

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Lee is a lot better than Carkner, but perhaps McLean is inserting him because of the "toughness" factor? I don't really get it though.

I kinda like the Bruins, but I'm sick of all the cheap-shots by them. Hopefully, they play clean tonight. Expecting a 5-2 loss though.

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02-25-2012, 02:41 PM
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Lee's game is better as of late, but not good enough to pull him out of the number 6 spot. Carkner gets paid to play a role that Lee cannot do, therefore, Carkner get to earn his paycheck. Personally, I hope he pounds the living crap out of someone tonight.

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Lee is a lot better than Carkner, but perhaps McLean is inserting him because of the "toughness" factor? I don't really get it though.

I kinda like the Bruins, but I'm sick of all the cheap-shots by them. Hopefully, they play clean tonight. Expecting a 5-2 loss though.
This. When we lost to the Bruins Nov 1st, much of the blame was on our lack of toughness, especilly on defence.

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I think Auld will play well, but it will be scoring on Thomas that worries me the most, beating the Bruins will get another monkey off the Sens back this season and there is no better time to do than tonight.

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The Sens forum has been populated by former, current and future Jack Adams winners since its' inception.
I'm pretty sure that the Sens board has a rule where if you want to post here, you have to choose between:

1) calling coaches and GMs idiots for the decisions they make,
or
2) calling posters idiots for expressing their personal opinions.

You only get to choose from those two options, according to the board rules. It's a tough choice, I know. I wish there was a third option...


...do you really need me to add the sarcasm guy? Really?

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02-25-2012, 03:09 PM
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I can't believe some of the comments in this thread so far.

Maclean was interviewed earlier today and said 'when you play that kind of team you need a certain element of toughness on your team. Matt Carkner provides us with that toughness'.

As a Sens fan if Lucic takes a run at Spez, Turris, Alffy, or Karlsson I'd much rather have Carks dressed then Lee. The Bruins are a physical team and you need someone to keep them in check. Also, who else will drop the mittens with Lucic? In my opinion Carkner in the box for 5:00 minutes while Lucic in the box for 5:00 minutes is a win for us. We get a very good top line player out of the game for what a 3rd pairing dman.

Sounds good to me.

I still think we loose 4-1 tonight but I'm a pessimist.

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02-25-2012, 03:09 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the Sens board has a rule where if you want to post here, you have to choose between:

1) calling coaches and GMs idiots for the decisions they make,
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2) calling posters idiots for expressing their personal opinions.

You only get to choose from those two options, according to the board rules. It's a tough choice, I know. I wish there was a third option...


...do you really need me to add the sarcasm guy? Really?
3) calling posters idiots for calling coaches idiots

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3 hours for puck drop !!!!!!! GO SENS GO, lets prove everybody wrong!!

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I sure am hoping to see Carkner kick the **** out of someone lol

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Unfortunately the Bruins have at least 3 players who force you to fight depending on how the game goes. They don't ask "would you like to" like our guys do they start throwing and you either fight or dive. Carkner can handle himself with anyone except Chara but Chara won't usually start trouble on his own. I don't think Lee deserves to be out and a better puck mover may be more useful but Stache decided he wants to keep the Bruins honest around the net so what can I say. You can't fault him for that.
Chara's fights don't last long enough for him to do any damage because he has terrible balance on his feet when it comes to fighting.

Unless you are dumb enough to stand in front of him and exchange blows without staying active and getting him turning.

I have seen Neil fight him and had Chara in a vulnerable spot as he was falling with Neil still holding his coral with a corked fist over him and let up. It was the game after Neil dummied Siedenberg their last game.

Chara is not a fighter unless he has to. He will kill you with his reach if you let him that is all. But if you jostle around with him and try to get your shots off he will fall down quickly.

Everyone should have the utmost respect for this dude however, a superstar that will standup for anyone oh his team.

I still remember the damage he did to Evanans when ratboi Begin and him took a run at Alfiy and ratboi ran away in the Moslon Center back in 05.


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I think Maclean has earned it so far to do whatever he wants without being questioned, so im for whatever Maclean is for.

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