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02-25-2012, 05:21 PM
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What would it take to get both Ott and Robidas? Raymond + ???

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02-25-2012, 05:21 PM
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As I said before; We don't need both in reality.

Hartnell - Giroux - Simmonds
Voracek - Schenn - JvR
Read - Briere - Jagr
Talbot - Couts - Rinaldo/Shelley/Wellwood
Who would you rather have? Otter is younger. Any interest in Campbell instead of Morrow? + a pick

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02-25-2012, 05:22 PM
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Morrow won't be moved; it's not even clear exactly when he'll play again.

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02-25-2012, 05:23 PM
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What would it take to get both Ott and Robidas? Raymond + ???
Not trying to sound rude, but why does every trade scenario between Dal and Van involve Raymond? I personally have no interest in him.

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Who would you rather have? Otter is younger. Any interest in Campbell instead of Morrow? + a pick
We don't necessarily need a goalie even if he is a prospect. We have Bryz with a 9 year contract and moving clause. Along with Bob behind him, who's been solid.

I think Ott would help our PK, I'd like to get Ott. But I don't really see anything working mostly because I don't know the Stars system too much.

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Quality not quantity
Hrm... that would be a problem as the Canucks likely wont pull off their roster to simply replace them with similar players.

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Morrow won't be moved; it's not even clear exactly when he'll play again.
There is some talk that he might be back in mid-March. He has multiple injuries and hasn't been the same player since the Olympics. He also has a full NTC.

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Not trying to sound rude, but why does every trade scenario between Dal and Van involve Raymond? I personally have no interest in him.
He is the most expendable forward on the Canucks who is still young and holds down a spot the Canucks could upgrade = 2nd line RW.

The Canucks will not trade the following: Sedins, Kesler, Borrows, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Malhotra, Lapierre, Luongo...

Booth, Higgins, Hansen, Hodgson, Schneider are guys who I could see moved, but it would be similar to an Ott where the other team would probably have to overpay.

That leaves Raymond, Ballard, Alberts, Rome, Weise, Bitz etc.

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02-25-2012, 05:35 PM
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Ott+Glennie+2nd (1st if Dallas makes it past the first round) For JVR.

That's pretty damn fair value for a 22 year old to play alongside Benn and Louie.

I could really see Joe trade this years first as well if we're pushing for the playoffs. We're pretty set on D for the farm now.

But if we're not selling we better be buying a **** ton to help out.

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Ott+Glennie+2nd (1st if Dallas makes it past the first round) For JVR.

That's pretty damn fair value for a 22 year old to play alongside Benn and Louie.

I could really see Joe trade this years first as well if we're pushing for the playoffs. We're pretty set on D for the farm now.

But if we're not selling we better be buying a **** ton to help out.
Sounds intriguing, though I don't know much about Glennie. Also, I'd probably rather a 1st.

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02-25-2012, 05:42 PM
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Glennie tore up juniors with Schenn.

Adding in a first is a pretty massive step for a team like Dallas. Ott would bring a whole lot to the table for Philly. Glennie can play either the wing or Center.

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Glennie tore up juniors with Schenn.

Adding in a first is a pretty massive step for a team like Dallas. Ott would bring a whole lot to the table for Philly. Glennie can play either the wing or Center.
We don't necessarily need the forwards as I've said. I feel Ott would help out a TON, especially in the PK field.

It's a nice offer, but I'm not sure that's something they would go for. Is Glennie eligible for AHL? Because that's where he would probably go if something like that went down.

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He's currently in the AHL.

31 points in 50 games.

Ott also helps out your face offs by quite a bit. He's the ONLY damn guy on the team who seems to be able to win one.

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We don't necessarily need the forwards as I've said. I feel Ott would help out a TON, especially in the PK field.

It's a nice offer, but I'm not sure that's something they would go for. Is Glennie eligible for AHL? Because that's where he would probably go if something like that went down.
He is in the AHL now... he had a bad first month and has been tearing it up since

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Yep. I think I'd do Ott + Glennie + 2nd for JvR.

Seems about fair value, Glennie's finally looking like a great prospect for once, Ott helps solidify your bottom 6 and add even more grit (Hartnell-lite), and the 2nd (maybe 1st) always helps, especially with you guys needing young D-men.

JvR is great and all, but he just seems trapped under all the talent in your top 6. Jagr steps in for his spot, Ott (or Talbot) replaces Jagr's spot, and that's still a pretty damn solid lineup, as well as continuing to build for the future.

And by the time Jagr retires, Glennie should be able to step in, and I'd love to see him play with Schenn again. I think that could really help him become a true top 6 forward.

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We don't necessarily need the forwards as I've said. I feel Ott would help out a TON, especially in the PK field.

It's a nice offer, but I'm not sure that's something they would go for. Is Glennie eligible for AHL? Because that's where he would probably go if something like that went down.
Yes, he's playing for Texas in the AHL this season. He's playing at about PPG pace over the last 25, after a garbage start to the season. Slow development path but has top 6 talent and should make it.

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He is the most expendable forward on the Canucks who is still young and holds down a spot the Canucks could upgrade = 2nd line RW.
Raymond isn't as young as people seem to think. He'll be 27 when next season starts. I can't imagine a 27 year old is what the Stars have in mind when they're talking about getting younger.

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Morrow won't be moved; it's not even clear exactly when he'll play again.
Injured players have been traded before. I guess it depends whether a team is willing to take on the risk that his injuries are worse than reported. If a team wants him for a playoff run and thinks he'll be 100% by then, I could see them doing the trade.

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02-25-2012, 06:03 PM
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Yep. I think I'd do Ott + Glennie + 2nd for JvR.

Seems about fair value, Glennie's finally looking like a great prospect for once, Ott helps solidify your bottom 6 and add even more grit (Hartnell-lite), and the 2nd (maybe 1st) always helps, especially with you guys needing young D-men.

JvR is great and all, but he just seems trapped under all the talent in your top 6. Jagr steps in for his spot, Ott (or Talbot) replaces Jagr's spot, and that's still a pretty damn solid lineup, as well as continuing to build for the future.


And by the time Jagr retires, Glennie should be able to step in, and I'd love to see him play with Schenn again. I think that could really help him become a true top 6 forward.
I'd be lying if I said I haven't thought about getting Schenn and Glennie together in the NHL. They were great together in junior.

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He's currently in the AHL.

31 points in 50 games.

Ott also helps out your face offs by quite a bit. He's the ONLY damn guy on the team who seems to be able to win one.
I know Ott would extremely help our face-offs, our team is pretty bad at them. Down near the bottom IIRC.

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He is in the AHL now... he had a bad first month and has been tearing it up since
Like I said, it's very tempting.

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Yep. I think I'd do Ott + Glennie + 2nd for JvR.

Seems about fair value, Glennie's finally looking like a great prospect for once, Ott helps solidify your bottom 6 and add even more grit (Hartnell-lite), and the 2nd (maybe 1st) always helps, especially with you guys needing young D-men.

JvR is great and all, but he just seems trapped under all the talent in your top 6. Jagr steps in for his spot, Ott (or Talbot) replaces Jagr's spot, and that's still a pretty damn solid lineup, as well as continuing to build for the future.

And by the time Jagr retires, Glennie should be able to step in, and I'd love to see him play with Schenn again. I think that could really help him become a true top 6 forward.
That's the thing, we're running 3 scoring lines basically. Talbot even has 17 [IIRC] goals this season.

What's the upside for Glennie in your opinion, Stars fans?

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Yes, he's playing for Texas in the AHL this season. He's playing at about PPG pace over the last 25, after a garbage start to the season. Slow development path but has top 6 talent and should make it.

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Glennie's looked like a great playmaker in the AHL this year so far. Made some pretty nice plays, and has looked great for the first time in quite a bit.

I think his ceiling is probably like a 25-60-85 PPG winger. A great playmaker who can chip in some goals too, not very physical (at least I don't think so), and I haven't seen him enough to know how good his skating is.

I think he'd be a lot more likely to hit that ceiling playing with Schenn again too. He played his best junior hockey on his wing.

He'll probably be a 60-70 point winger realistically, though. Nothing spectacular, but definitely a top 6 talent.

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Glennie's looked like a great playmaker in the AHL this year so far. Made some pretty nice plays, and has looked great for the first time in quite a bit.

I think his ceiling is probably like a 25-60-85 PPG winger. A great playmaker who can chip in some goals too, not very physical (at least I don't think so), and I haven't seen him enough to know how good his skating is.

I think he'd be a lot more likely to hit that ceiling playing with Schenn again too. He played his best junior hockey on his wing.

He'll probably be a 60-70 point winger realistically, though. Nothing spectacular, but definitely a top 6 talent.
That's a pretty good idea on what he is.

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Phi fans, would you still be interested if the deal included a 5th?

To Phil:
Ott, Glennie, 2nd

To Dal:
JVR, 5th

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I like that Steve Ott, Scott Glennie and conditional 1st 2012 trade. It's about as much as we'd be willing to give up and I think it's fair value.

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Morrow, Ribeiro, Ott, Robidas all out there

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Morrow, Ribeiro, Ott, Robidas all out there
anyone over 27... outside of lehtonen

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