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03-02-2012, 11:43 AM
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69-70 Seals, defenseman Carol Vadnais led club with 24 goals, along with 20 assists and 212 penalty minutes. Next season, Dennis Hextall had one of his best years, leading the club in scoring with 21+31=52 and 217 PM's. Hardly earthshattering by other standards, but pretty damn good for the Seals.

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al rollins almost won the hart in '53 by carrying the terrible chicago blackhawks into the playoffs.

syd howe was 2nd in scoring in '35 playing for STL eagles and DRW. eagles only played 1 season before disbanding, and DRW were one of the worst teams.

joe malone had many great seasons on weak teams. in '20, malone scored 39g in 24 games, led the NHL in scoring, but his quebec team only won 4 of 24 games.

'20 quebec allowed almost 7.5 goals per game, but scored less than 3.8 per game.

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al rollins almost won the hart in '53 by carrying the terrible chicago blackhawks into the playoffs.

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Chicago has had a few

42-43 Doug Bentley won the AR playing for a 5th place team
46-47 Max Bentley won the AR playing for a 6th place team
48-49 Roy Conacher won the AR with Doug Bentley a close second for a 5th place team
56-57 Ed Litzenberger was 5th in points and an Allstar for a 6th place team


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kovalev 2001-02 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 67 32 44 76

had very little to work with on that team

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000502002.html

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As someone mentioned, Gretzky 93-94, won an Art Ross while on a bad team coached by Barry Melrose.

Also, Brian Leetch in 2000-01. Led NYR with 79 points.

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Pat lafontaine and Pierre turgeon played on bad teams

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Back to this topic.

Above are mentioned big stars, but none goalie.

So, tell me some goalies, that were amazing in really bad teams.

Ryan Miller in 13/14 Buffalo is one of them.

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Back to this topic.

Above are mentioned big stars, but none goalie.

So, tell me some goalies, that were amazing in really bad teams.

Ryan Miller in 13/14 Buffalo is one of them.
Pick any year for the California Golden Seals and just add the name Gilles Meloche.

Pick almost every second year with the Los Angeles kings of the 70s and add the name Rogatien Vachon. Detroit of the 70's and Jim Rutherford.

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Poor Garry Unger. His St-Louis career shows quite a few guys that had a good year and then they sailed away into the sunset.

Guys like:
Pierre Plante 34-32-66
Chuck Lefley 43-42-85
Larry Sacharuk 20-22-42

And when he finally got some help in the form of Federko-Sutter-Babych, he was gone.

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Wilf Paiement in 1976-77 and 1977-78 turned in some of the best power-forward seasons ever on absolutely atrocious Colorado Rockies teams.

Finished 6th in the NHL in goals one year and 10th in the NHL in scoring the next with absolutely no help while outscoring the 2nd place guy on his team by a country mile.

I've mentioned before here how fascinating it is to look at the careers of Paiement and Clark Gillies (taken 2nd and 4th overall in the same draft) next to each other. Paiement was almost certainly a better player but is largely forgotten while Gillies fell into a perfect situation and is in the HHOF.

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Kelly Kisio was PPG on the 92-93 Sharks (26-52-78, 78gp)

Not mindblowing numbers, especially for the time. However, being on arguably the second worst team in modern NHL history, that's not too shabby.

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Back to this topic.

Above are mentioned big stars, but none goalie.

So, tell me some goalies, that were amazing in really bad teams.

Ryan Miller in 13/14 Buffalo is one of them.
Luongo in 2004 is the gold standard for this in the modern era.

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1974-75 Wings: 23-45-12, only four teams had a worse record.

Yet they had Marcel Dionne at 47-74-121

and Danny Grant at 50-36-86.

Grant and Dionne finished fourth/fifth in the league among goal scorers.

They accounted for 37% of Detroit's goals.

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How could i forget? Ziggy Palffy in Isladers team was a story.

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1981-82 Washington Capitals: 26-41-13, second worst in the Prince of Wales.

Dennis Maruk was 60-76-136 to finish 4th in league scoring.

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