Okay I'll answer honestly I guess. If Suter is available go hard for him. I wouldn't mind resigning Grossman or Kubina(Grossman more though because of age and contract).
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
I'm so playtered but I really wanna hear your reasoning for this.
Kimmo has easily been our top defensive player for rte past four years and you want to trade him jst becauyse he has been human the past two weeks?
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
lol, just because he tires late in the year he should just retire? he's called on to do a lot (especially with Pronger out), is a very good puck mover and point man on the PP, and plays solid positional defense. He's pulling his weight relative to cap number a hell of a lot more than some other guys (briere and bryz being the glaring ones)
I definitely do love Grossman and would be easy to re-sign if you ask me. Kubina said he didn't want to test UFA waters and wanted to re-sign.
I do agree with both of these options. I would even pass on re-signing Jagr for the extra dollars to do it.
Outside of those options and generally speaking, this organization is excellent at identifying forwards. Between drafts (Gagne, Williams, Downie, Richards, Carter, Giroux), trades (Lupul, Versteeg) and the current roster this is clear.
Flyers almost have too much talent in forwards that do not need to show up every night. Lupul and Versteeg are doing better with teams with thinner talent. I believe both JVR and Briere would score significantly more if they were on Toronto or Florida. This team just doesn't need them every night, so they do not feel the urgency that some players require to perform consistently. As such, a forward like Gaustad on any given night is probably more valuable than some inconsistent forwards in leading to points in the standings.
I believe Coburn and Meszaros are slightly overpaid for what they bring. Carle will be grossly overpaid by someone. Somehow, if Suter cannot be acquired, converting forward assets (JVR is highest although I would like to see them give him longer) into potential future No. d asset is needed IMO.
I do agree with both of these options. I would even pass on re-signing Jagr for the extra dollars to do it.
Outside of those options and generally speaking, this organization is excellent at identifying forwards. Between drafts (Gagne, Williams, Downie, Richards, Carter, Giroux), trades (Lupul, Versteeg) and the current roster this is clear.
Flyers almost have too much talent in forwards that do not need to show up every night. Lupul and Versteeg are doing better with teams with thinner talent. I believe both JVR and Briere would score significantly more if they were on Toronto or Florida. This team just doesn't need them every night, so they do not feel the urgency that some players require to perform consistently. As such, a forward like Gaustad on any given night is probably more valuable than some inconsistent forwards in leading to points in the standings.
I believe Coburn and Meszaros are slightly overpaid for what they bring. Carle will be grossly overpaid by someone. Somehow, if Suter cannot be acquired, converting forward assets (JVR is highest although I would like to see them give him longer) into potential future No. d asset is needed IMO.
Honestly, we should just use our 1st rounder to get a D-man that could not necessarily be a stud #1, but at least draft a stud #2. Keep what we have and start drafting. I know we don't really have our 2nd rounds for this year and we should still have one for next draft. Personally, I'd still love to try to trade Carle for a really high 1st (25th to 30th) to a team that basically will go the playoffs. Even without Jagr, the forward lines could look like this:
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
I'm all for option 1. Because that means that somehow hell has been freezing over in the playoffs and we won a cup
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
Been saying this myself. Not that I dont like him, he has just lost a step.
Its looking like the only contract the Flyers signed in the 2007 offseason that turned out to be a good deal was that of Scott Hartnell.
His cap hit is really hurting us, and holding us back from offering the type of money needed to get Suter.
Not only is his cap hit hurting but his play the past two weeks has been horrible. He hit a wall this time last year as well. I think its time for him to call it a career and hang them up.
This makes no sense to me. I much rather get rid of Briere. Kimmo has 1 yr left w/ 6.33 cap hit whereas Briere has 3 yr left w/ 6.5 mil cap hit. Combined that w/ the fact that Flyers are stacked at forward and struggling on D.
With all that said I don't think either will be necessary as I don't see the Flyers landing Suter.
Timonen, statistically, is having his best season as a Flyer... dont know where all this other stuff is coming at. Would LOVE to see this team without Timonen and playa bunch of 3/4 defenders to save money. Would be hilarious. Reminds me of last offseason where people wanted to trade Timonen and some on here were 100% confortable with Meszaros, Carle and Coburn leading the front.
Timonen, statistically, is having his best season as a Flyer... dont know where all this other stuff is coming at. Would LOVE to see this team without Timonen and playa bunch of 3/4 defenders to save money. Would be hilarious. Reminds me of last offseason where people wanted to trade Timonen and some on here were 100% confortable with Meszaros, Carle and Coburn leading the front.
Statistically a lot of people are having great seasons. This offense has turned Max Talbot into a 20 goal scorer. Doesn't mean he has been stellar defensively.
Even still, I'm fine with him playing the remainder of his contract. There are other players on the team who are more of a burden due to their contracts.
This makes no sense to me. I much rather get rid of Briere. Kimmo has 1 yr left w/ 6.33 cap hit whereas Briere has 3 yr left w/ 6.5 mil cap hit. Combined that w/ the fact that Flyers are stacked at forward and struggling on D.
With all that said I don't think either will be necessary as I don't see the Flyers landing Suter.
Of course Id much rather get rid of Brieres contract and Shelleys, and prongers etc etc. But kimmo contract is the most likely to be dealt because it actually holds value for another team whereas those other contracts are abysmal to any team. We would have to give up a top asset for a team to take one of those contracts.
Im on board with Kimmo gone after the season. I like him as a player but looking at the bigger picture his contract hurts. Yes he is our best defensemen and on a better contract have no problem with him being here forever. All that say no what would you rather have us play #3 and #4 defensemen no, the point would be to unload his contract as well as Carles as well as Kubinas and go out and get some stud D to more friendly contracts who are as good or better. My plan for the offseason?
Let Carle and Kubina walk unless Kubina can take a big pay cut. Resign Grossman. Try to move Kimmo and possibly Coburn. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm fairly certain that thats close to 20 million in cap space. Obviously if this is all done, Suter is an absolute must, and I would push to get Weber here as well. Kimmo + Coburn for Weber + Suters rights?
That Defense is HUGE and most provide some offense as well as having the ability to play extremely physical
Edit: Maybe Im out to lunch and playing too much NHL 12 but I think its possible, Kimmo has a NMC but maybe he would Waive to go back to NAS. Im not sure how much we'de have to add to make that happen though, probably a pick or 2 and a prospect
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Im on board with Kimmo gone after the season. I like him as a player but looking at the bigger picture his contract hurts. Yes he is our best defensemen and on a better contract have no problem with him being here forever. All that say no what would you rather have us play #3 and #4 defensemen no, the point would be to unload his contract as well as Carles as well as Kubinas and go out and get some stud D to more friendly contracts who are as good or better. My plan for the offseason?
Let Carle and Kubina walk unless Kubina can take a big pay cut. Resign Grossman. Try to move Kimmo and possibly Coburn. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'm fairly certain that thats close to 20 million in cap space. Obviously if this is all done, Suter is an absolute must, and I would push to get Weber here as well. Kimmo + Coburn for Weber + Suters rights?
That Defense is HUGE and most provide some offense as well as having the ability to play extremely physical
Edit: Maybe Im out to lunch and playing too much NHL 12 but I think its possible, Kimmo has a NMC but maybe he would Waive to go back to NAS. Im not sure how much we'de have to add to make that happen though, probably a pick or 2 and a prospect
Yeah there is no way Nashville will give us Weber and Suter for Timonen and Coburn. Weber is a RFA so he is still controlled by Nashville so his value stays the same as if he was under contract (extremely high think what we gave up for Pronger, a top prospect, a couple 1st rounders, and an everyday top 6 or top 4 player). Trading for Suter's rights while cheaper would be pointless because he is going to test the FA market anyway, the only way we sign him before that is if we make him a huge offer he can't refuse. Plus if they are losing both Weber and Suter I don't see why they would want Timonen. They would officially be in rebuilding mode rendering a soon to be 38 year old defenseman useless.
