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Molodezhnaya Hokkeinaya Liga (MHL) - Part II

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06-28-2013, 02:54 PM
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Jokerit will need MHL team, right?

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Jokerit will need MHL team, right?
why ? they have teams in finland junior leagues ...

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Jokerit will need MHL team, right?
Usually new KHL teams can stay out of the MHL for a year...

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Usually new KHL teams can stay out of the MHL for a year...
Non-russian KHL team does not have to join MHL, ever. On the other hand it is good for these teams to have MHL team, because juniors used to better league/travelling etc.

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why was the "wasting talent in the CHL" closed? and no explanation in the thread?
anyhow, Tolchinksiy, Dikushin, Vorob'ev - before leaving to NA - cream of the crop of Russian juniors born in 95, arguably top-5 forwards and top-3 d-man (Vorob'ev was rated higher than Zadorov) end up not even being drafted.....

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why was the "wasting talent in the CHL" closed? and no explanation in the thread?
anyhow, Tolchinksiy, Dikushin, Vorob'ev - before leaving to NA - cream of the crop of Russian juniors born in 95, arguably top-5 forwards and top-3 d-man (Vorob'ev was rated higher than Zadorov) end up not even being drafted.....
Not sure about Vorobyov, but both forwards you mention are really small. :/ And as long as they continue development who cares whether they are or are not drafted.

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why was the "wasting talent in the CHL" closed? and no explanation in the thread?
anyhow, Tolchinksiy, Dikushin, Vorob'ev - before leaving to NA - cream of the crop of Russian juniors born in 95, arguably top-5 forwards and top-3 d-man (Vorob'ev was rated higher than Zadorov) end up not even being drafted.....
There is no doubt in some cases they haven't progressed as expected, but the NHL draft shouldn't be used as a measurement of progression for the vast majority of Russian prospects. The NHL draft is heavily biased against Russian prospects. Look at how many Russian based prospects were drafted this year and where they went.

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There is no doubt in some cases they haven't progressed as expected, but the NHL draft shouldn't be used as a measurement of progression for the vast majority of Russian prospects. The NHL draft is heavily biased against Russian prospects. Look at how many Russian based prospects were drafted this year and where they went.
well, it's not only NHL draft, but also the NT stopped calling them up as well (even though Vorobiev was called up the last time if I am not mistaken)...They have clearly regressed, imho.

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I agree that going to NA isn't the best route, in fact I have good evidence from Holland -GM of DRW who have had best track record of developing Euros in past 20 years. He also says this...

Regardless, it is funny to see guys like Slepyshev and Yakimov who didn't go to NA go so high in the draft. Some scouting services who polled NHL scouts didnt even have these guys ranked (cough -Mckenzie)!

However, Tolchinsky was immediately given an invite to the Rangers camp after the draft... If you recall, Makarov had the same situation happen to him last year. He was passed up in draft, but then earned a contract through a camp invite (already 4 months after the draft he was in a better position with NHL team than 90% of the drafted players). So as people say, camp invites can be seen as the 8th round to the draft.

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IMO, Russians should follow Swedish path and say that players going for NA youth leagues won't be picked for international tournaments. That should keep a fair bunch at home.

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well, it's not only NHL draft, but also the NT stopped calling them up as well (even though Vorobiev was called up the last time if I am not mistaken)...They have clearly regressed, imho.
Vorobiev I blame on bad agent work. He played for Portland, the most stacked team in junior hockey besides Halifax. Same team that had Seth Jones, by the end of the year Vorobiev wasn't even dressing...

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IMO Russians (FHR after is under KHL control) will ban transfers of russians outside Russian until the kid is 18yrs. Hockey Canada has such rule and nobody has problem with it.

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Vorobiev I blame on bad agent work. He played for Portland, the most stacked team in junior hockey besides Halifax. Same team that had Seth Jones, by the end of the year Vorobiev wasn't even dressing...
ok, why should a possibly best Russian project on D be inferior to Seth Jones (in theory?) I think it's on the player, agent, and the move.

As for "vzhik" I wish him all the best...Loved him for Red Army and the NT before he had moved.

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IMO Russians (FHR after is under KHL control) will ban transfers of russians outside Russian until the kid is 18yrs. Hockey Canada has such rule and nobody has problem with it.
How is the law enforced? Simple banishment from NT? I dont know if that would have a huge effect.

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How is the law enforced? Simple banishment from NT? I dont know if that would have a huge effect.
Something like in Canada, but it is just my opinion .. I would do it if I were FHR/KHL.

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No player of Minor hockey age shall be transferred from Hockey Canada to any other member of the International Ice Hockey Federation except as provided by Regulation H.8 (b). Players that wish to transfer without their parents must make application to Hockey
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I think my english is good enough to understand it.
It is very simple, Hockey Canada does not sign such IIHF ITC

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I want to congratulate M. Vasiliev with becoming the Head Coach of the Red Army team, and CSKA with ridding themselves from Mr. Uvaev.


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There is no doubt in some cases they haven't progressed as expected, but the NHL draft shouldn't be used as a measurement of progression for the vast majority of Russian prospects. The NHL draft is heavily biased against Russian prospects. Look at how many Russian based prospects were drafted this year and where they went.
Excellent points! The tell-all case is that of Nichushkin. You can construct a good argument that he is the best player in the draft, at times dominating as a 17-year old in the KHL while skating a regular shift for a top-flight team, and he ends up drafted 10th by the NHL. Ironically, he has no valid KHL contract binding him, and he is expected to show up at the Stars Developmental camp. They may have gotten a steal!

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ok, why should a possibly best Russian project on D be inferior to Seth Jones (in theory?) I think it's on the player, agent, and the move.

As for "vzhik" I wish him all the best...Loved him for Red Army and the NT before he had moved.
I totally agree with your point about Seth Jones. But even if you were to allow for the premise that Jones is the best thing since canned beer, there are still 5 other D slots where Vorobiev could and should have been assigned. How many huge career setbacks before promising kids start getting the point?

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I totally agree with your point about Seth Jones. But even if you were to allow for the premise that Jones is the best thing since canned beer, there are still 5 other D slots where Vorobiev could and should have been assigned. How many huge career setbacks before promising kids start getting the point?
the mentality of a teenager, that everyone before and after me can fail, but I will succeed in spite of statistics.

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the mentality of a teenager, that everyone before and after me can fail, but I will succeed in spite of statistics.
Exactly! You have to wonder about the mentality of kids standing no taller than 168 cm. that come over convinced that they are NHL prospects. You have to be highly gifted, and hopefully weigh at least 85 kg to have an outside chance of making it.

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Exactly! You have to wonder about the mentality of kids standing no taller than 168 cm. that come over convinced that they are NHL prospects. You have to be highly gifted, and hopefully weigh at least 85 kg to have an outside chance of making it.
Therefore must IIHF or national hockey federations ban/restrict movement of players under 18 yrs (like FIFA/FIBA or Hockey Canada did)

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Therefore must IIHF or national hockey federations ban/restrict movement of players under 18 yrs (like FIFA/FIBA or Hockey Canada did)
no argument here

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Therefore must IIHF or national hockey federations ban/restrict movement of players under 18 yrs (like FIFA/FIBA or Hockey Canada did)
I agree with you and CSKA.

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i think 15 russians are drafted in the CHL import draft already, couple of Latv players, Belorussian too....disaster...

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i think 15 russians are drafted in the CHL import draft already, couple of Latv players, Belorussian too....disaster...
and whats worse is it has grown over past 3 seasons... And guys are actually reporting, last year there were only maybe 2 guys who did not report (Vasilevsky, some other lower rated prospect). Some of the guys who didn't make the cut even opted to play in lower NA leagues rather than return home... These numbers don't even include guys going to other leagues like USHL NAHL etc.. Id guess around 40 top to good ranked players not in MHL but in NA instead.

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