To trade Spacek, some other team would have to be willing to take him.
It's not at all clear to me that anybody wanted the guy. Even "giving him away" might not have been an option if there was literally no serious offer on the table.
To trade Spacek, some other team would have to be willing to take him.
It's not at all clear to me that anybody wanted the guy. Even "giving him away" might not have been an option if there was literally no serious offer on the table.
It really depends on how much effort JR put into moving him. The quotes from today make me believe he really didn't do much this deadline. Didn't make phone calls, didn't talk to Allen/Spacek. Just sat there and waited for calls to come to him.
And if you're not actively shopping the guy, you're not going to get many offers. I'm sure if he went out, lit up the phones of every GM out there, he could have gotten a serious offer. Instead, he got a bunch of offers for players he wasn't willing to trade, because he wasn't making it clear who was available (what with the flip-flopping regarding Gleason, Ruutu and Allen).
I'm watching the Rangers-Devils game right now, and if I'm JR I'm seeing if I can grab David Clarkson in the offseason. Not quite a top line winger, but so far this year he's been playing like one and his toughness and grit along with physicality and skill level could fit nicely with Jokinen and Skinner.
Granted, his game is a bit like Ruutu's, but I see him more as a power forward than a pure skill guy, he'll go to the net and get his garbage goals. I see Ruutu as the kind of guy that's gritty when he's off the puck and more of a skill guy when he's got it. Clarkson's a pure grinder/power forward type through and through, and THAT could be a guy worth targeting.
Granted, he wouldn't be the "savior," or the "answer," or anything. But he's DEFINITELY the type of player this team needs IMO.
We are not on the list of approved teams. So the point is moot.
That was his list of approved teams at the deadline. The list will get bigger in the offseason. Probably still won't include us, but you never know. After being **** on by his management, he may appreciate a GM that shows loyalty to a fault
That was his list of approved teams at the deadline. The list will get bigger in the offseason. Probably still won't include us, but you never know. After being **** on by his management, he may appreciate a GM that shows loyalty to a fault
True. But I think I read somewhere that his team list wouldn't expand in the offseason. Maybe his agent did this to force Howson's hand. But I have a feeling Nash has aspirations of bright lights, big city after playing in anonymity and Ohio State's shadow.
Honestly, I think it would take Jokinen, McBain and our 1st.
It's bizarre, because you'd think for a star like Nash the value would have to balance out, and I think this might, but I'd still absolutely do it in a heartbeat.
It is believed that Sather, who is not fazed by the ramifications of adding Nash’s contract that runs through 2017-18 at a cap hit of $7.8 million per year, is prepared to send Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and perhaps 2010 first-rounder Dylan McIlrath plus a first round pick to Columbus in order to bring the 6-foot-4, 220-pound, nine-year veteran to Broadway.
In which case, Columbus rightfully passed on that. You gotta think that Columbus's two needs right now are goaltending (obviously) and centers (since trading Carter and Vermette).
We don't have much in the way of centers, but we do have some great goaltending prospects. I'd say your deal, plus one of Murphy/Andersen/etc.
I thought the deal that was passed up was Dubinsky, J.T. Miller, Tim Erixon and a 1st.
Honestly, I think it would take Jokinen, McBain and our 1st.
OK, you just pushed yourself from legit poster to hopeless fanboy with this post. Not only is Jokinen, McBain and our first not good enough to get Nash, it's nowhere near Dubinsky, JT Miller, Erixon and a first from the Rangers.
I think some of us are overrating our guys massively. Jokinen is a toss-in to the vast majority of the NHL right now. I'm not even sure if he makes this package more or less attractive to Columbus. McBain is struggling to stay in our third pairing and faces stiff competition from guys like Murphy, Dumoulin and Sanguinetti going forward. The most valuable asset in this offer from us is our first-rounder, and that's not going to get Nash.
There are a lot of reasons that we're in 27th in the league right now. One of them seems to be that JR is similarly overrating our guys. Look, it's great to be a great team guy, and "good in the room," and loyal, but it's also great to be really freakin' good. We've got a lot of the former, not so many of the latter.
OK, you just pushed yourself from legit poster to hopeless fanboy with this post. Not only is Jokinen, McBain and our first not good enough to get Nash, it's nowhere near Dubinsky, JT Miller, Erixon and a first from the Rangers.
I think some of us are overrating our guys massively. Jokinen is a toss-in to the vast majority of the NHL right now. I'm not even sure if he makes this package more or less attractive to Columbus. McBain is struggling to stay in our third pairing and faces stiff competition from guys like Murphy, Dumoulin and Sanguinetti going forward. The most valuable asset in this offer from us is our first-rounder, and that's not going to get Nash.
There are a lot of reasons that we're in 27th in the league right now. One of them seems to be that JR is similarly overrating our guys. Look, it's great to be a great team guy, and "good in the room," and loyal, but it's also great to be really freakin' good. We've got a lot of the former, not so many of the latter.
why even make that statement? I'm always seeing you bash everyone as if you're some sort of hockey elitist.
I cant say i disagree with anything else you said. I doubt Columbus even considers that offer.
Because he is rite, and we are rong and no nothing about hockey.
No matter how many times the "McBain is struggling to stay on the team" is thrown about, people still want to believe it. McBain is effectively tied for 4th on the team in ES TOI/Game.
I do agree on Jokinen though, and made a similar comment earlier in this thread.
If the pick is top 3 that package still doesn't get Nash and I honestly wouldn't give up more than that.
Doesn't matter though because he can pick where he goes. Do you think he decides to go from captain and face of a hopeless franchise to second fiddle on a slightly less hopeless small market franchise?
OK, you just pushed yourself from legit poster to hopeless fanboy with this post. Not only is Jokinen, McBain and our first not good enough to get Nash, it's nowhere near Dubinsky, JT Miller, Erixon and a first from the Rangers.
They're not THAT far apart. The Rangers' 1st is going to be at the very end of the round. Ours is likely to be in the #1 lottery. Despite the hate for McBain here, he is one of the better defensemen in his age bracket and has a good 12-15 years left in this league. Jokinen might not be a stud, but Dubinsky isn't exactly going to turn CBJ around either. Basically it's a middle-6 winger with higher offensive upside vs a middle-6 center with a better all-round game.
How Columbus perceives those offers depends on how they plan to rebuild. Obviously neither is good enough for Howson, and it's not wrong to say the Rangers deal may be a better package, but there isn't some massive chasm between them to justify insulting another forumer's intelligence.
Assuming that we make a run for Nash in the offseason (the top-flight forward), what (plus our 1st) would we add to beat that offer?
Never going to happen. The Canes will not be in the running for any of the top UFAs this summer, or guys under contract like Nash. Even though JR says they have two UFAs they are interested in, it won't be the big names everyone is hoping for.
Never going to happen. The Canes will not be in the running for any of the top UFAs this summer, or guys under contract like Nash. Even though JR says they have two UFAs they are interested in, it won't be the big names everyone is hoping for.
My guess is the 2 UFAs are Ray Whitney and Dustin Penner.
Never going to happen. The Canes will not be in the running for any of the top UFAs this summer, or guys under contract like Nash. Even though JR says they have two UFAs they are interested in, it won't be the big names everyone is hoping for.
Plus, what if those two guys get ... I dunno ... SIGNED between now and July 1. Will we just sit it out on UFA day like we did on deadline day -- since nobody called for Allen or Spacek? And just like we do on draft day when the guy we want is projected to go a few spots ahead of where we pick? Is it possible for JR to initiate the call? Or does he have to be the one receiving a call?
Sorry, I just think it's kinda dumb to be targeting two guys for four months down the road who you're not even sure are going to be available.
It's a fairly basic three-step process: 1) Identify a need (should be easy enough, we have many), 2) identify a player to help fill a need (again, should be easy), 3) pay whatever price to get him on our team.
The way the Canes are operating now is wrong. They get step 1 right, but then they try to wedge players who are A) available and B) cheap, into their needs. It doesn't work. Oftentimes you need to pay dearly to fill a need. Vancouver saw a need for a legit power forward. They paid dearly to get Zach Kassian. Say what you want about whether they overpaid, but the fact remains, they identified a need, identified a player, and paid the price to get the player. I respect them for that.
My guess is the 2 UFAs are Ray Whitney and Dustin Penner.
I think you're still aiming too high. Think current 3rd line guy with POTENTIAL to fill in at the 1st or 2nd line level if given a chance...ala Stewart, Ponikarovsky, etc. Trial and error yes, spending millions to get a proven player, no.
I think you're still aiming too high. Think current 3rd line guy with POTENTIAL to fill in at the 1st or 2nd line level if given a chance...ala Stewart, Ponikarovsky, etc. Trial and error yes, spending millions to get a proven player, no.
Maybe. History is with you on that assessment. Unless Penner lights it up down the stretch or in the playoffs, I think his list of suitors won't be that high. There WILL be teams that take a chance on him though so it might be a little tougher to sign him.
Whitney turns 40 this year. I don't see a lot of teams wanting him and I also see Whitney only wanting to go to a limited number of teams.
Well there were calls/offers being made for Skinner and Sutter. Maybe JR should have traded one of them to satisfy those who are complaining that nothing was done. Atleast this way, he didn't stand pat and did something.
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