Patrick Roy: won't he be another rookie coach, just like others we had before?
I see lots of fans getting excited for this to happen but Hasn't this been a story of the habs for the Last decade?
We have previously hired Michelle Therien, Guy Carbonneu, Claude Julien; most of them Bombed despite having better success later on, so why are we continuing this tradition again?
Why can't we simply get a successful coach from NHL and just build from there? Are we really this obsessed with this loop of Rookie coaches campaigns?
I see lots of fans getting excited for this to happen but Hasn't this been a story of the habs for the Last decade?
We have previously hired Michelle Therien, Guy Carbonneu, Claude Julien; most of them Bombed despite having better success later on, so why are we continuing this tradition again?
Why can't we simply get a successful coach from NHL and just build from there? Are we really this obsessed with this loop of Rookie coaches campaigns?
I did not know we had the first NHL female coach... !!!!
It's Michel. If you can write Michael, you certainly can write MICHEL properly.
There is considerable talk about replacing Gauthier, but who will it be and how will it be done? What do we know about Geoff Molson? Will his partners have a say? So far, every important decision has looked inward: Gainey replaced by Gauthier, Martin replaced by Cunneyworth. That requirement for being bilingual reminds me of a straitjacket. Naming Patfrick Roy coach or GM might be a popular move but popular moves aren't always effective. I'm reminded of how lousy a coach the great Bernard Geoffrion proved to be.
There is considerable talk about replacing Gauthier, but who will it be and how will it be done? What do we know about Geoff Molson? Will his partners have a say? So far, every important decision has looked inward: Gainey replaced by Gauthier, Martin replaced by Cunneyworth. That requirement for being bilingual reminds me of a straitjacket. Naming Patfrick Roy coach or GM might be a popular move but popular moves aren't always effective. I'm reminded of how lousy a coach the great Bernard Geoffrion proved to be.
Crawford for coach...Jim Nill from the Wings for GM...
You should all forget Jim Nill.
Detroit did not give him permission to negotiate with Toronto or Minnesota (both asked for permission), Detroit won't give him permission to negotiate with Montreal and his is under contract, and bound by non-competition obligation, until 2015-16 (although he is rumoured to have escape clause that will activate in 2013-14) Edmonton Journal piece from January 2012.
So keep on dreaming of Nill, he is and won't be available.
Detroit did not give him permission to negotiate with Toronto or Minnesota (both asked for permission), Detroit won't give him permission to negotiate with Montreal and his is under contract, and bound by non-competition obligation, until 2015-16 (although he is rumoured to have escape clause that will activate in 2013-14) Edmonton Journal piece from January 2012.
So keep on dreaming of Nill, he is and won't be available.
You realize that any contract can be broken, it just takes giving the wings a financial reason to do so.
Detroit did not give him permission to negotiate with Toronto or Minnesota (both asked for permission), Detroit won't give him permission to negotiate with Montreal and his is under contract, and bound by non-competition obligation, until 2015-16 (although he is rumoured to have escape clause that will activate in 2013-14) Edmonton Journal piece from January 2012.
So keep on dreaming of Nill, he is and won't be available.
Seems odd that they wouldn't let him GM another franchise and thus give him a promotion of sorts...wouldn't he then be upset with his current employer? Unless he has been promised the Wings job and Ken Holland is riding off into the sunset...
Roy should hold out for the GM job. Scotty Bowman, Dick Irvin Sr. and Pat Burns couldn't coach this team to the playoffs, it's a mess.
No it isn't. This season is really a statistical anomaly when you think about it, PG pressed the panic button waaaay too early when he fired Martin and things deteriorated pretty fast from then on. Had he not, we probably would be in the playoffs discussion right now considering how atrocious the east is. Heck, if our powerlpay started functioning at a respectable rate after RC was introduced, same deal. PG screwed the pooch there too by having no back-up plan for Markov.
Or is the loss of Wisnewski, Pouliot, Hamrlik, Pyatt, Sopel and Picard the reason that we are sitting last in the east? Somehow I highly doubt that.
Basically PG dug his own grave really. Roy for new GM please.
I mentioned San Jose's assitant GM as a possibility (in the old thread I think). The Sharks are on the playoff bubble with their percentages taking a dive over the last 20 games but I think Doug Wilson would be a good fit in the GM role if the Habs can hang onto Timmins. San Jose would have to miss the playoffs and fire Wilson though.
Post-lockout Wilson's been able to make a 3 good assets for a very good/excellent player move on 3 occasions (Thornton, Boyle, Burns) and a 4th if you count Heatley before he dropped down an elevator shaft during his time in San Jose. If Timmins continues to draft well and the Habs hang onto players rather than dumping them for "character" issues Wilson could potentially pull stuff like that off in Montreal.
I mentioned San Jose's assitant GM as a possibility (in the old thread I think). The Sharks are on the playoff bubble with their percentages taking a dive over the last 20 games but I think Doug Wilson would be a good fit in the GM role if the Habs can hang onto Timmins. San Jose would have to miss the playoffs and fire Wilson though.
Post-lockout Wilson's been able to make a 3 good assets for a very good/excellent player move on 3 occasions (Thornton, Boyle, Burns) and a 4th if you count Heatley before he dropped down an elevator shaft during his time in San Jose. If Timmins continues to draft well and the Habs hang onto players rather than dumping them for "character" issues Wilson could potentially pull stuff like that off in Montreal.
I've been on the Wilson bandwagon since the Sharks have been dipping too.
I think his actions speak for themselves, he's aggressive and usually gets what he's after. I would like to see that in Montreal.
It's further backs up the theory that it's nothing but speculation.
Even worse, he says LeClerc got this from the internet blog, which we all know and disqualify as a reliable source here on HF.
Everybody knows it is a possibility. It is not any closer to being a reality.
I have a bad feeling the Habs will try throwing dust in the eyes of the fans by hiring Roy for coach then fans will get excited and will ignore that Gauthier needs to go too.
I have a bad feeling the Habs will try throwing dust in the eyes of the fans by hiring Roy for coach then fans will get excited and will ignore that Gauthier needs to go too.
There is NO WAY that Roy accepts the control freak that is Gauthier. No freakin way. And if Gauthier has any sense of pride, there is also no way that he agrees to not be included in the talks involving the future head coach. Everything here makes no sense unless a GM has already been chosen.
Personnally, until proven otherwise, I choose to believe that there's a lot of talks going on. But nothing determined.
Seems odd that they wouldn't let him GM another franchise and thus give him a promotion of sorts...wouldn't he then be upset with his current employer? Unless he has been promised the Wings job and Ken Holland is riding off into the sunset...
Nill earns a GM’s salary and has much of the responsibilities. His new deal gives him more flexibility to seek a GM job than his current contract, which prohibits him from speaking to other clubs. The new pact contains a window of opportunity to speak to other teams starting in the third year (2013-14).
There is NO WAY that Roy accepts the control freak that is Gauthier. No freakin way. And if Gauthier has any sense of pride, there is also no way that he agrees to not be included in the talks involving the future head coach. Everything here makes no sense unless a GM has already been chosen.
Personnally, until proven otherwise, I choose to believe that there's a lot of talks going on. But nothing determined.
Maybe he's going to be Assistant GM until Gauthier's contract is up the following year.
Maybe he's going to be Assistant GM until Gauthier's contract is up the following year.
Hey everything is possible. But I don't see it again. Roy will not be in the same room than Gauthier. I see Roy wanting to coach. There is just no way he accepts something else than coaching. The guy didn't do all those years in juniors to not try it in the bigs.
I have to say now, that he is my pick. But the job will not be complete if we don't acquire the right GM that goes with him though and that's the real challenge. Roy would eat Julien Brisebois alive. Roy might not eat Damphousse alive....yet, I just don't want Vinnie in this job. He is not ready. You need a vet, strong personnality as GM. Timmins has to be a candidate. Yet, again, I would go with a guy like Jim Benning. Unless there is a candidate that nobody talks about that would go at it once more and already owes a whole lot to Patrick Roy in Pierre Lacroix.
