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03-30-2012, 11:25 AM
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From what the media is saying, Jim Nill isn't being held back by the Red Wings, he just chooses not to leave them.

How are we supposed to lure him? I'd love nothing but give him 100% autonomy, and let him bring his own team in.
I have no doubt they will be in contact with him, and i dont think we will ever find out his true feelings unless he receives the job. But i can see why he would feel comfortable in Detroit, being groomed to be a GM there, most stable franchise past decade, had helped the current team, wouldnt have to start fresh

But like the guys on TSN 990 were saying, Habs GM is a prestigious position/ upgrade over being GM of most teams, that could be filled by other current GM's ( Tallon, Lombardi, Wilson, Lamourello? )

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03-30-2012, 11:28 AM
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The next habs GM is someone who is already available or will be available in two weeks (because his team is eliminated) when the regular season is over.

Because there is no point firing Gauthier yesterday if it's not "rush", and if the next GM is available only in mid-June.


Another possible candidate: Denis Potvin. Broadcasting hockey games in Florida and now in Ottawa since the last 20 years almost. He knows the league. perfectly bilingual. Good communicator. A proven winner.

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03-30-2012, 11:33 AM
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Because there is no point firing Gauthier yesterday if it's not "rush", and if the next GM is available only in mid-June.

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not necessarily, if they knew they were going to fire him after being eliminated why not get started right away, gives you more time to look

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03-30-2012, 11:35 AM
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Another possible candidate: Denis Potvin. Broadcasting hockey games in Florida and now in Ottawa since the last 20 years almost. He knows the league. perfectly bilingual. Good communicator. A proven winner.
Man, I don't want him anywhere near the Habs. He was a great d man but have you listened to him.

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03-30-2012, 11:37 AM
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I don't understand why almost nobody mentions André Savard.

The guy has done a very good job as GM of this team. He had to clean the mess left by Houle and started to rebuild a solid young team during his tenure...

Look at the draft between 2001 and 2003 included.

Plekanec
Komisarek
Higgins
Halak
Kostitsyn
Lapierre
O'Byrne
Perezhogin

That's pretty good in 3 years. And don't forget he's also the guy that decided to hire Trevor Timmins (that's one of the best thing to have happened for the habs in the last decade).

The team decided to replace him way too early...

I think bringing him back would be a very good decision for this team...

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03-30-2012, 11:39 AM
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I don't understand why almost nobody mentions André Savard.

The guy has done a very good job as GM of this team. He had to clean the mess left by Houle and started to rebuild a solid young team during his tenure...

Look at the draft between 2001 and 2003 included.

Plekanec
Komisarek
Higgins
Halak
Kostitsyn
Lapierre
O'Byrne
Perezhogin

That's pretty good in 3 years. And don't forget he's also the guy that decided to hire Trevor Timmins (that's one of the best thing to have happened for the habs in the last decade).

The team decided to replace him way too early...

I think bringing him back would be a very good decision for this team...
Savard is a very competent hockey mind. But certainly not the best communicator. He would be a great asst-GM in charge of Player development and drafting.

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I dont see why Brisson would become GM.

Could he be Agent and GM?
unless he want something new.
Nope. There would be a conflict of interest doing that. Mike Gillis is no longer a player agent in Vancouver.

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Brisson won't come over. He has great businesses in South cal, is rich, and so on...

If they want a player agent and ex-hab, why not try Gilles Lupien ?

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Yeah really, what is this all of a sudden? Is Damphousse paying people to talk him up? What credentials does he have outside of his RDS gig?
Seems to me that it is the French media that work with Damphousse on RDS that are pushing for his candidacy. As a result, some Quebecois viewers who actually view the RDS crew as experts have supported the notion of Damphousse as a GM but no one else in the hockey world thinks he would be a good GM. To me it seems like certain journalists (ie Francois Gagnon) who are pushing for him as GM want someone they have a personal relationship with in order to have easy access to information. That's the only thing I can think of becasue Damphousse has absolutely no experience in this capacity other than giving his 2 cents here and there on RDS.

And as we know, Francois Gagnon has a tendency to back his friends in the Habs organization (see Jacques Martin) which, to me, shows a total lack of credibility in his reporting.

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Seems to me that it is the French media that work with Damphousse on RDS that are pushing for his candidacy. As a result, some Quebecois viewers who actually view the RDS crew as experts have supported the notion of Damphousse as a GM but no one else in the hockey world thinks he would be a good GM. To me it seems like certain journalists (ie Francois Gagnon) who are pushing for him as GM want someone they have a personal relationship with in order to have easy access to information. That's the only thing I can think of becasue Damphousse has absolutely no experience in this capacity other than giving his 2 cents here and there on RDS.

And as we know, Francois Gagnon has a tendency to back his friends in the Habs organization (see Jacques Martin) which, to me, shows a total lack of credibility in his reporting.
Reporters and journalists won't choose the next GM. None of us, too.

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03-30-2012, 11:48 AM
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I don't understand why almost nobody mentions André Savard.

The guy has done a very good job as GM of this team. He had to clean the mess left by Houle and started to rebuild a solid young team during his tenure...

Look at the draft between 2001 and 2003 included.

Plekanec
Komisarek
Higgins
Halak
Kostitsyn
Lapierre
O'Byrne
Perezhogin

That's pretty good in 3 years. And don't forget he's also the guy that decided to hire Trevor Timmins (that's one of the best thing to have happened for the habs in the last decade).

The team decided to replace him way too early...

I think bringing him back would be a very good decision for this team...
All the players you've listed (other than Pleks) are no longer with the organization and most with good reason. Other than Pleks and Halak, I don't see anyone phenomenal in that draft list. I mean if André Savard was as good as you say he is he would've drafted Jeff Carter; Dustin Brown; Zach Parise; Ryan Kesler; Mike Richards; or Corey Perry all before Andrei Kostitsyn. Also Komisarek can't even crack the Leafs line up on most nights. O'Byrne? Really? Higgins is good but unfortunately he partied too hard while he was here. Lapierre is a third line grinder at best.

Molson wants to go in a "new" direction. You don't go in a new direction by bringing back former personnel.

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03-30-2012, 11:50 AM
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Man, I don't want him anywhere near the Habs. He was a great d man but have you listened to him.
He wouldn't even make a quality HF boards poster.

Some of these names being thrown around are absolutely scary. Most of these people wouldn't get ANY consideration whatsoever from other teams. Quebec politics are so ******* annoying.

The game had passed Serge Savard by when he left eons ago, now he is a dinosaur trying to navigate through something that he could never understand. When Molson's took over this team we were in trouble......I just hope by some miracle that this team can avoid a repeat of the Houle era.

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All the players you've listed (other than Pleks) are no longer with the organization and most with good reason. Other than Pleks and Halak, I don't see anyone phenomenal in that draft list. I mean if André Savard was as good as you say he is he would've drafted Jeff Carter; Dustin Brown; Zach Parise; Ryan Kesler; Mike Richards; or Corey Perry all before Andrei Kostitsyn. Also Komisarek can't even crack the Leafs line up on most nights. O'Byrne? Really? Higgins is good but unfortunately he partied too hard while he was here. Lapierre is a third line grinder at best.

Molson wants to go in a "new" direction. You don't go in a new direction by bringing back former personnel.
Yep. He would have drafted Carter instead of Kostitsyn. Savard said it himself but since he wasn't the GM anymore (was replaced a couple weeks before the draft but was still in charge of it), he went with his scouts decisions (he didn't have the authority anymore to tell them to go with Carter).

And not sure what you are trying to say with the other picks... Komisarek, O'Byrne, Lapierre and Higgins were all very good picks considering their draft year (Komisarek and Higgins) and the fact that they were not first round picks (O'Byrne and Lapierre).

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The next habs GM is someone who is already available or will be available in two weeks (because his team is eliminated) when the regular season is over.

Because there is no point firing Gauthier yesterday if it's not "rush", and if the next GM is available only in mid-June.


Another possible candidate: Denis Potvin. Broadcasting hockey games in Florida and now in Ottawa since the last 20 years almost. He knows the league. perfectly bilingual. Good communicator. A proven winner.
Wow... Are you just looking for anybody that speaks french at this point? Or speaks french and knows the league?

What about Renaud Lavoie? He knows the league. perfectly bilingual. Good communicator.

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He wouldn't even make a quality HF boards poster.

Some of these names being thrown around are absolutely scary. Most of these people wouldn't get ANY consideration whatsoever from other teams. Quebec politics are so ******* annoying.

The game had passed Serge Savard by when he left eons ago, now he is a dinosaur trying to navigate through something that he could never understand. When Molson's took over this team we were in trouble......I just hope by some miracle that this team can avoid a repeat of the Houle era.
Politic has nothing to do with that. You're really in the left field about that.

When 80% of your clientele at the Bell is french-speaking 1st, and when this team was built ads a "French" Canadiens clube first and above all, you have to respect that.

And who the **** won these 24 Stanley Cups. teams with a majority of French speaking players.

DoN,t worry I have tremendous respect for all the Anglophones who carried the Torch with them, and made up amazing TEAMS.

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Seems to me that it is the French media that work with Damphousse on RDS that are pushing for his candidacy. As a result, some Quebecois viewers who actually view the RDS crew as experts have supported the notion of Damphousse as a GM but no one else in the hockey world thinks he would be a good GM. To me it seems like certain journalists (ie Francois Gagnon) who are pushing for him as GM want someone they have a personal relationship with in order to have easy access to information. That's the only thing I can think of becasue Damphousse has absolutely no experience in this capacity other than giving his 2 cents here and there on RDS.

And as we know, Francois Gagnon has a tendency to back his friends in the Habs organization (see Jacques Martin) which, to me, shows a total lack of credibility in his reporting.
This. And what's this "being a great communicator" BS now? What is it in Montreal that the standards aren't the same? Poile, Rutherford, Holland, Sheiro, not good "communicators, but good enough GM's. The more useless dumb attributes they will look for, the narrower the list will become. What will happen is that actual competence will be compromised for "communication". Ridiculous.

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Yeah really, what is this all of a sudden? Is Damphousse paying people to talk him up? What credentials does he have outside of his RDS gig?
I really don't get either, what's he done since retiring, he took a secondary role in the PA, appears on RDS, hasn't taken any positions in Junior or the AHL to learn the ropes. He was also kinda of a soft player when he played, he wasn't really known as a leader, I just don't get it.
Very surprising that Guy Carbonneau's name hasn't popped up anywhere, love him or hate him, he was a leader when he played, has a good hockey mind and is a buddy of Patrick Roy

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Politic has nothing to do with that. You're really in the left field about that.

When 80% of your clientele at the Bell is french-speaking 1st, and when this team was built ads a "French" Canadiens clube first and above all, you have to respect that.

And who the **** won these 24 Stanley Cups. teams with a majority of French speaking players.

DoN,t worry I have tremendous respect for all the Anglophones who carried the Torch with them, and made up amazing TEAMS.
This type of dinosaur mentality will hold you back. It can cause you to miss out on prospects, free agents and now coaches and GM's. You know there are many euro's in the league now? If you would rather lose in french than win in other languages, go ahead. Not saying you would lose, but you're limiting yourself.

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Is Trevor Timmins a good communicator?

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I really don't get either, what's he done since retiring, he took a secondary role in the PA, appears on RDS, hasn't taken any positions in Junior or the AHL to learn the ropes. He was also kinda of a soft player when he played, he wasn't really known as a leader, I just don't get it.
Very surprising that Guy Carbonneau's name hasn't popped up anywhere, love him or hate him, he was a leader when he played, has a good hockey mind and is a buddy of Patrick Roy
Carbonneau could be or should be an Assistant coach or assistant GM, no more. He doesn't have the top qualities required to be the main leader in these jobs. Communication is not his forte.

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There is no way he'll be candidate, but I'd like Jarmo Kekäläinen to be the next GM.

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Why is there no way he'd be a candidate?

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Why is there no way he'd be a candidate?
He don't speak french.
Not the greatest guy in front of the media.
Molson and Savard have probably no clue who he is.

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Roy would be a great fit, and would be entertaing.

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