Oooohhhh boy! Not much thought went into that list
Same could be said about your post
I think that Clément Jodoin could deserve a shot, what are your AHL coaches for if it's not to groom them into becoming the next Canadiens coach?
Benoit Groulx has a good credibility in the Q's. You woN,t know if he's cut for the job unless you try him out.
Michel Therrien is an awesome coach with young players. He was unrightfully fired from teh Canadiens and the Penguins. I don't see why he couldn't do the job.
Randy Cunneyworth......no
Randy Carlyle -ex-coach Anaheim (2011)......maybe
Michel Therrien - analyst on RDS....yes
Patrick Roy – co-owner, GM, coach Quebec Remparts ......yes
Clément Jodoin – coach Hamilton Bulldogs.....no
Jacques Lemaire – ex-coach Devils (2011)......no...ex hab...friends with BG
Benoit Groulx – coach Gatineau Olympiques.....no
Martin Raymond – assistant coach TB....no
Larry Robinson -assistant coach NJ......maybe
Guy Carbonneau – analyst on RDS.....a real no
Bob Hartley - coach Zcs Lions (Switzerland).....maybe
Denis Savard – ex-coach Chicago (2009)....a big no
Mark Crawford – ex-coach Dallas (2011).....yes
Pascal Vincent – assistant coach Winnipeg.....no
Gérard Gallant - coach Saint-John Sea-Dogs....no
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Guy Boucher – coach TB....no
Lindy Ruff – coach Buffalo....a big yes
Alain Vigneault – coach Vancouver....maybe
Kirk Muller – coach Carolina.... a sorry no...hasn't coach long enough for this mess
GM
Pierre Gauthier...**** off
Pierre McGuire - analyst on NBC and Versus..... a big yes
Patrick Roy - co-owner, GM, coach Quebec Remparts ....yes
Jim Nill – assistant GM, Detroit....yes
Bob Gainey - special advisor Mtl....**** right off a hole
Julien Brisebois – assistant GM TB/GM Norfolk Admirals.....no
Vincent Damphousse – analyst RDS....no
Pierre Lacroix – president Colorado....maybe
Pat Brisson – co-head Hockey Divison CAA....no
Trevor Timmins - director procurement and player dev. Mtl...no, let him keep his job
Claude Loiselle – assistant GM Toronto.....no, all loser's in to, don't know anything else
Serge Savard – co-owner PEI Rockets....no, not anymore
Paul Fenton - assistant-GM Nashvile/GM Milwaukee Admirals.....no
Doug Risebrough – president Minnesota (2009).... no
André Savard - ex-assistant coach Pittsburgh (2009).....no
Jim Benning - assistant GM Boston...a big no
Jarmo Kekkalainen - GM Jokerit (Finland)....no
Marc Bergevin - assistant GM Chicago....no
I was merely pointing out how the local media doesn't tell us the truth about whether players speaks french or not. THey are biased becuase they just want local guys. WHen Tom Kostopoulos was wit hteh Canadiens, no french media did say that he learnt french and could speak it. ALl of his interviews were done in english. about 4-5 years after playing for us, we now learn that he speak french...
It doesn't have anything to do with anything, except that there are guys in that organisation that can speak french and we just don't know about it.
He was in french-immersion school when he was younger and it was known when he signed with the Habs, I remember reading about it. He learned it before he was in the NHL.
A lot of posters feel a major problem is developing young players but Timmons is responsible for player development yet people think he's done a great job.
I think that Clément Jodoin could deserve a shot, what are your AHL coaches for if it's not to groom them into becoming the next Canadiens coach?
He did have a bad roster but not much success in Hamilton. As a long term solution, his age works against him.
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Benoit Groulx has a good credibility in the Q's. You woN,t know if he's cut for the job unless you try him out.
Could probably use some experience as a head coach at the pro level
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Michel Therrien is an awesome coach with young players. He was unrightfully fired from teh Canadiens and the Penguins. I don't see why he couldn't do the job.
I hope you weren't serious about these comments on Therrien. He is a buffoon.
Randy Cunneyworth......no Randy Carlyle -ex-coach Anaheim (2011)......maybeMichel Therrien - analyst on RDS....yes
Patrick Roy – co-owner, GM, coach Quebec Remparts ......yes
Clément Jodoin – coach Hamilton Bulldogs.....no
Jacques Lemaire – ex-coach Devils (2011)......no...ex hab...friends with BG
Benoit Groulx – coach Gatineau Olympiques.....no
Martin Raymond – assistant coach TB....no
Larry Robinson -assistant coach NJ......maybe
Guy Carbonneau – analyst on RDS.....a real no
Bob Hartley - coach Zcs Lions (Switzerland).....maybe
Denis Savard – ex-coach Chicago (2009)....a big no
Mark Crawford – ex-coach Dallas (2011).....yes
Pascal Vincent – assistant coach Winnipeg.....no
Gérard Gallant - coach Saint-John Sea-Dogs....no
Unavailable
Guy Boucher – coach TB....no
Lindy Ruff – coach Buffalo....a big yes
Alain Vigneault – coach Vancouver....maybe
Kirk Muller – coach Carolina.... a sorry no...hasn't coach long enough for this mess
GM
Pierre Gauthier...**** off
Pierre McGuire - analyst on NBC and Versus..... a big yes
Patrick Roy - co-owner, GM, coach Quebec Remparts ....yes
Jim Nill – assistant GM, Detroit....yes
Bob Gainey - special advisor Mtl....**** right off a hole
Julien Brisebois – assistant GM TB/GM Norfolk Admirals.....no
Vincent Damphousse – analyst RDS....no
Pierre Lacroix – president Colorado....maybe
Pat Brisson – co-head Hockey Divison CAA....no
Trevor Timmins - director procurement and player dev. Mtl...no, let him keep his job
Claude Loiselle – assistant GM Toronto.....no, all loser's in to, don't know anything else
Serge Savard – co-owner PEI Rockets....no, not anymore
Paul Fenton - assistant-GM Nashvile/GM Milwaukee Admirals.....no
Doug Risebrough – president Minnesota (2009).... no
André Savard - ex-assistant coach Pittsburgh (2009).....no
Jim Benning - assistant GM Boston...a big no
Jarmo Kekkalainen - GM Jokerit (Finland)....no
Marc Bergevin - assistant GM Chicago....no
He was in french-immersion school when he was younger and it was known when he signed with the Habs, I remember reading about it. He learned it before he was in the NHL.
And Issacar, just so you know, he did some interviews in french when he was a Hab....
Hamilton 07-08: 36-34-3 (no playoffs)
Hamilton 08-09: 49-27-4 (eliminated 1st round)
Hamilton 09-10: 52-17-3 (eliminated 3rd round)
Norfolk 10-11: 39-26-9 (eliminated 1st round)
Norfolk 11-12: 39-18-3 so far
Hamilton 07-08: 36-34-3 (no playoffs)
Hamilton 08-09: 49-27-4 (eliminated 1st round)
Hamilton 09-10: 52-17-3 (eliminated 3rd round)
Norfolk 10-11: 39-26-9 (eliminated 1st round)
Norfolk 11-12: 39-18-3 so far
Brisebois seems to me more of a competent accountant than a guy with deep hockey knowledges.
This is all kinds of wrong. Aside from bringing in Robinson, this is a terrible idea. You don't have a guy do dual coach-GM roles in this day and age. Period.
That's a myth.
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Not to mention Roy doesn't know enough about the NHL to actually be an NHL GM.
How about Serge Savard and Joe Niewendyck? They didn't know about the the NHL to be GM. It's not brain surgery. Plus Roy has helped recruit and forged different rosters of different teams for years in the Q. Plus he would well surrounded.
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Maybe he could coach, since his junior coaching experience would translate somewhat.
That's why you surround him with experienced guys. Have you read what I wrote?
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But not GM - being the GM of a junior team then going directly to GM of an NHL team is a recipie for instant failure. You need to know the league inside out and backwards, and I'm sure he doesn't.
No you don't have to.
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Pat Brisson? Really? Some random agent is going to all of a sudden be an assistant GM? Puke.
How about the Canucks GM Mike Gillies? That's exactly what he did. Brisson is one of the most intelligent agents there is. And you talked about the financial aspect of being in managenent. Well he knows all these things to a t.
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Michel Therrien? Hasn't the world seen enough of this guy? Haven't we already fired him once?
We need a vet to support Roy and Michel has fire to bring to the dance that the Habs need.
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Jacques Lemaire in a GM role?
He was the brainiac assistant GM to Savard during the last great Habs period. Seriously do you know anything?
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Try again.
Seems to me like you lack the knowledge to be able to discuss hockey properly.
I'm sayign that in today's world, Sam Pollock wouldn,t be able to steal eveyrone else in the NHL.
Guy Allen, Paul Reid vs Alex Campbell and Ken Dryden? Seriously you,re telling me that in today's world you could pull in Tukka Rask fro mteh Bruins for virtually nobody?
If you were paying attention to hockey you would know that's exactly how Boston got Rask. They ripped off Toronto with a player who is not even in the league anymore.
I'll try to express why this is a terrible notion as succinctly as possible (although I will likely get a little long winded).
First of all, Dual coach/GMs rarely have long-term success in the NHL, as both roles are quite demanding (especially in Montreal). I can't see Roy in both roles actually being able to give each job the time necessary to be effective.
I think that's a overrated notion. He would be able to do it if he is well surrounded.
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Next, Roy really doesn't have any experience being a managing figure at the NHL level, which is quite different to being a GM in the QMJHL. Surrounding him with experience is fine, but its not like Lemaire or Brisson actually have a ton of Managerial experience between them either.
Lemaire was assistant GM of the Habs for years under Serge Savard.
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At least when Gillis was inserted as GM of Vancouver, he had experienced assistant GMs in Henning and Gilman already entrenched. I don't think its a very good idea to completely turf the existing management team, as you really need someone who has a more intimate perspective of the team than a new hire would. For that reason, I expect Timmins and Carrière to retain their positions with the club, regardless of how Molson proceeds.
Alright I guess you could replace Brisson but someone with more managing experience. I don't have a problem keeping Carriere and Timmins. But Timmins is Chief Scout, not a direct assistant GM.
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Also, your breakdown looks like it was devised in an EA Sports game.
In my opinion the way a team is ran doesn't have 100% done in the same manner. You can be creative.
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Roy has a fiery personality to put it lightly.
That's what we need.
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What makes you think he'd work well with Lemaire or Brisson?
Well he can't be all alone. I think Lemaire is pretty professional and has shown before he can be second violin.
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Robinson is a consummate professional but can you really see Therrien as an effective assistant next to Roy?
At this point I don't know if Therrien would be able to second Roy. But I would like to see it as an experiment. The NHL is full of guys that were head coach before but are now assisstants. Better this than no jobs, right?
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Why would Brisson leave his lucrative job to only be an assistant GM?
Because he's a man that loves challenges.
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Why does Therrien take a demotion in an organization he was already a part of?
Because it would be to be part of a great new venture and he loves the Habs.
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How does Roy hold any clout if it appears as though everyone hired to surround him is supposed to hold him up?
Most GM were rookie gms before.
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One of my GM ideas (apart from the big 4 of Nill, Benning, Fenton and Kekalainen) was to bring in Loiselle as GM and Dudley as assistant GM, on the basis that both are experienced with solid track records. Both also enjoy a similar paradigm in Toronto right now which indicates that they can work together.
And I couldn't see guys like Dudley in Montreal.
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It would be nice to install Roy as a figurehead, but I doubt it helps the team in the long run. What is with this team turning to green managers (Houle) or twice failed GMs (Goat). Experience should be a requirement, but it has to be positive experience, with noticeable improvement throughout their careers.
You would be surprised what Roy may accomplish. Houle was seen as dumb BEFORE he became Habs GM. Goat looks like a lowly adminstrator and that's what he has been doing so far. Roy looks like a great hockey mind who is also happen to be a conqueror, a lion. As GM he would have the mentality of a shaker like Pierre Lacroix was when he as Avs GM: he went after the best guys he wanted and there was nothing stopping him. I don't know how long it would last but it would be a great run, I think.
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I absolutely agree that the Damphousse speculation is an asinine idea, but I'm fairly certain that Kjell Dahlin was referring to Jets assistant coach Pascal Vincent as a candidate for a head coach, which wouldn't be an absurd notion and may in fact be the best fit of available coaches.
I don't know what people see in Pascal Vincent, he looks like a kitten. I want a Pat Burns for coach and he's as far from that as possible.
I'm sayign that in today's world, Sam Pollock wouldn,t be able to steal eveyrone else in the NHL.
Guy Allen, Paul Reid vs Alex Campbell and Ken Dryden? Seriously you,re telling me that in today's world you could pull in Tukka Rask fro mteh Bruins for virtually nobody?
Gerry Desjardins for 2 first round picks? Yes Gerry suffered from an eye injury and that killed his career. But with one of those first rounders, we drafted none other then Steve Shutt.
Gary Monahan and Doug Piper for Bart Crashley and Pete Mahovlich? Come on Sam Pollock should go in jail for this thievery.
Almost every Sam Pollock trade was a steal that favored the Canadiens. In today's world it'd only be possible if you are trading with Mike Millbury.
Yes I agree that team trades prospects, but trading prospects have nothing to do with my point, at all. About every GMs are former scouts, your point is?
Gomez-pyatt-Busto vs Mcdo-Higgins-valentenko
Ribiero vs niniimaa
S.Kost vs nothing
I'd say one GM fleecing another is alive and well... We've just had the kind of leadership that tends to be on the wrong end.
Brisebois seems to me more of a competent accountant than a guy with deep hockey knowledges.
That's understandable, if you focus on his tasks as NHL contract negotiator and "capologist." However, I think it's safe to assume Brisebois' responsibilities as GM of AHL affiliates Hamilton and Norfolk require(d) a wide range of hockey knowledge.
Hamilton 07-08: 36-34-3 (no playoffs)
Hamilton 08-09: 49-27-4 (eliminated 1st round)
Hamilton 09-10: 52-17-3 (eliminated 3rd round)
Norfolk 10-11: 39-26-9 (eliminated 1st round)
Norfolk 11-12: 39-18-3 so far
You can't really judge him on AHL record. An AHL GM is at the mercy of the big team in terms of talent and call-ups. People on the Habs board know Brisebois' level of competence and of course his interview and Lightning references will be important components of hiring process.
Is Jim Nill actually a candidate, or just a name a random poster through out there? Because I would love Jim Nill as our GM.
Also, Marc Crawford is probably the best coaching option. Patrick Roy would be such a failure, let him gain some experience in the major juniors before even considering him.
