Really surprised to read this post from you. Who cares about 13th - 15th best project? The strengh of the prospect pool is to have solid 5 - 7 prospects. One or maybe even two of these lower ranked prospects might surprise us but I'm pretty sure you know what the chances are that they would make an impact or even just be able to get into the Rangers line-up (statistically speaking, of course) )
Sauer was ranked #12. Fasth was ranked #13. Hagelin was #21 ... 2.5 years after he was drafted.
Some of it obviously prospects over-achieving, but I think it's important to have prospect depth for that very reason. Several of our prospects will become busts. But if you have a lot of depth, then in return for Sanguinetti going bust, you get Hagelin going bunkers, so things work out in the end.
But if you rely strictly on your top 5-7 prospects, you'll get 3-4 decent NHLers out of them, but you won't be able to maintain a constant flow of ELCs who are underpaid, allowing us to sign guys like Gaborik and Richards.
You know that I always pointed out how low the odds of a draft pick, particularly one not chose in the top-10, of becoming a solid NHLer. A second rounder has maybe a 10% chance of becoming an average or better NHL (20% chance of cracking the NHL as a 4th liner), a third rounder about a 5% chance, and the rest are even less. Yet, I've always advocated acquiring more of these picks. I was happy that we got a third rounder for WW and unhappy that we sent a 5th rounder for John Scott.
Why? Very simple: it's not just about quality, it's also about quantity. At the top, you want blue-chippers, but once you get beyond your top few prospects, you still need a lot of guys who have a decent potential because if you get enough quantity, some of them will become Lundqvist.
I remember about 10 years ago, Lundqvist was seen as the worst one of our 3 goalie prospects: him, Asplund and Holmqvist. Yet, all three had potential. By having this quantity, we wound up with a star goalie. Sometimes quantity has a quality of its own.
[QUOTE=RangerEsq;45370743]Sauer was ranked #12. Fasth was ranked #13. Hagelin was #21 ... 2.5 years after he was drafted.
Some of it obviously prospects over-achieving, but I think it's important to have prospect depth for that very reason. Several of our prospects will become busts. But if you have a lot of depth, then in return for Sanguinetti going bust, you get Hagelin going bunkers, so things work out in the end.
But if you rely strictly on your top 5-7 prospects, you'll get 3-4 decent NHLers out of them, but you won't be able to maintain a constant flow of ELCs who are underpaid, allowing us to sign guys like Gaborik and Richards.QUOTE]
Fasth and Hagelin were in these slots as completely unknown 5, 6 round selections in their draft years and Sauer was falling back in the ranks because of the persistent injury bug. Who said that one of McColgan, Lindberg, Parlett and Yogan wouldn't make a splash a couple of years down the road? Doesn't change my stand that the real strength of the organizational prospect pool is in its top 5 - 7 prospects.
Sauer was ranked #12. Fasth was ranked #13. Hagelin was #21 ... 2.5 years after he was drafted.
Some of it obviously prospects over-achieving, but I think it's important to have prospect depth for that very reason. Several of our prospects will become busts. But if you have a lot of depth, then in return for Sanguinetti going bust, you get Hagelin going bunkers, so things work out in the end.
But if you rely strictly on your top 5-7 prospects, you'll get 3-4 decent NHLers out of them, but you won't be able to maintain a constant flow of ELCs who are underpaid, allowing us to sign guys like Gaborik and Richards.QUOTE]
Fasth and Hagelin were in these slots as completely unknown 5, 6 round selections in their draft years and Sauer was falling back in the ranks because of the persistent injury bug. Who said that one of McColgan, Lindberg, Parlett and Yogan wouldn't make a splash a couple of years down the road? Doesn't change my stand that the real strength of the organizational prospect pool is in its top 5 - 7 prospects.
Exactly - and I'd be curious who some of the "suspects" were that were rated higher than Hagelin et. al. in that previous ranking that have since fallen. Personally, I very much like the upside in guys like Yogan, Noreau and Ceresnak. I'd also point out that we're going in (at least so far) to the upcoming draft with more picks than we've had recently.
Just reading the twitter updates it doesn't sound like Kreider registered any points in BC's 5-1 win tonight... BC has scored 15 goals over the past 3 games and Kreider didn't factor into any of the scoring?
Just reading the twitter updates it doesn't sound like Kreider registered any points in BC's 5-1 win tonight... BC has scored 15 goals over the past 3 games and Kreider didn't factor into any of the scoring?
Saving all his energy so he can step in and win the Conn Smythe trophy on our way to the cup.
That was the worst game I have seen Kreider play since I've been watching him. Completely disengaged.
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That was the worst game I have seen Kreider play since I've been watching him. Completely disengaged.
Clearly he is just bored playing against lower talent.
Hope it's just school and not his game.
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Kreider is going to need a lot of seasoning and coaching . Jerry York and his program is a Clown College .
There is no denying his physical tools . Kreider looks like a diff player in WJC , then @ BC . honestly doesn't really appear to have much of a feel for the game . He's def an NHL ready skater and physical specimen . As for knowing where to go without the puck and his stick handling he's not even ECHL skills wise . Can he burn past people , no question , but in the NHL where A LOT OF people Are big and fast the JURY IS OUT BIG TIME .
Kreider is going to need a lot of seasoning and coaching . Jerry York and his program is a Clown College .
There is no denying his physical tools . Kreider looks like a diff player in WJC , then @ BC . honestly doesn't really appear to have much of a feel for the game . He's def an NHL ready skater and physical specimen . As for knowing where to go without the puck and his stick handling he's not even ECHL skills wise . Can he burn past people , no question , but in the NHL where A LOT OF people Are big and fast the JURY IS OUT BIG TIME .
He had a poor game. So the jury us out big time?
His IQ is ECHL?
Yea. No.
Ill take the opinion of just about every person being paid for their opinion. And they all disagree with your assessment.
Oh and by the way, that clown York wins National Championships.
Kreider is going to need a lot of seasoning and coaching . Jerry York and his program is a Clown College .
There is no denying his physical tools . Kreider looks like a diff player in WJC , then @ BC . honestly doesn't really appear to have much of a feel for the game . He's def an NHL ready skater and physical specimen . As for knowing where to go without the puck and his stick handling he's not even ECHL skills wise . Can he burn past people , no question , but in the NHL where A LOT OF people Are big and fast the JURY IS OUT BIG TIME .
He will still come join the team for the playoffs and score at a point per game ratio, likely a goal a game ratio.
And while BC is a good college, lets not get ahead of ourselves. Kreider still has a ton of work left. Torts is going to eat that kid alive if he comes to the Rangers and plays as bad as he does away from the puck like he does in BC, and that means in all 3 areas. I know its tough to hear, but yes Kreider is not perfect and has flaws. He's not the most motivated player on the ice.
CBS College Sports showed a graphic of Kreider's ice-time with less than 10 minutes left in the game. He had played 11:44 with the game nearly over. York spreads out the ice-time. Probably too much.
Dave Starman said Kreider is NHL ready. Most players school after junior years. He said the questions players ask themselves about leaving early. Is there a spot for him on the team and will he continue to develop? Is there a spot on the team? The Rangers wouldn't be willing to lose a year off the ELC if there wasn't a spot. Will he continue to develop? Yes. Look at Stepan and McDonagh. They are better pros than college players. The Rangers found spots for both of them.
It seems Kreider is going through the motions right now. He looks better than anyone out there and it is time to move to a new level of NHL hockey
What game did you watch . Several BC players looked much more motivated , hounded the puck and made plays last night .
Kreider better be prepared to use
his body and not just float around
waiting for cookies
I like the idea of the kid DGMW , but I'm nOt wearing Kreider homer
goggles and from what I've seen in 3 or 4 games is a player if he
doesn't have the puck , in either a scoring area or open ice is unmotivated and pretty useless . For someone as big and fast as him he could be separating people from the puck at will .
That was the worst game I have seen Kreider play since I've been watching him. Completely disengaged.
I only watched bits and pieces of the game, but from what I saw, I thought Kreider looked good. He had a great break out pass to spring someone on a breakaway. The guy didn't score, but it was a great pass. And there were a few other times where I thought he made very good plays, either good crisp passes or strong backchecks.
He didn't have the puck on his stick as much as I'd like, but his on-ice awareness seems to be very good. He did take a penalty while they were on the PP, and that's concerning. He seems to take a lot of penalties. I'm sure that's something that Torts will disabuse him of quickly.
The player he sprung was Johnny Gaudreau , a very nice little player , like MZA little but with major wheels. He a Calgary 4 th rounder .
As for the pass JG snuck behind the D and CK just pushed it to him hardly an epic play that to be honest any player on the ice could make .
CK is a really intriguing player due to his size and speed . Among players his age or younger set up in the slot ia where I've seen him do most damage where he has a quick release and pots goals at what looks like at will . Of the rush his speed and size makes him a handful as well to the outside .
Where he needs coaching is his play when he doesn't have the puck . Now his uninterested play and positioning could be due to the level of players he's playing with and system York has in place or a product of his raw nature .
CK is hardly a hard on the puck wrecking ball like I imagine Torts will try and mold him to be .
From what I See las few games is a faster but less lethal shooting Jeff Carter type . Is this bad ? No , Jeff Carter is a helluva player , but I'm pretty sure some of the HF boards GMs on here have dismissed him as a lazy floater and disinterested stat padding cookie hunter .
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