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02-27-2012, 05:53 PM
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Schultz had 3 points and was a -10 in 62 games. He wasn't providing offense and he was near the bottom in defense.

He had the worst Corsi of all defensemen (except Fredheim) and 5th best (or 4th worst) quality of competition of all defensemen. So he wasn't playing against the top lines yet he was still routinely getting outshot.

He was 4th on the defense in hits, yet he played almost twice as many games as the three guys above him (Zanon, Stoner, Falk).

He did lead the team in blocked shots. So that was good.

So yes, overall he was overwhelmingly mediocre on a bad defense. This isn't something to get worked up about RIGHT NOW. If no moves are made to fix the defense by October, I WILL BE CONCERNED. But not now.
Look at stats a little further than that. The reason Schultz had a low +/- this year was not because the Wild were getting scored against. It was because the Wild weren't scoring. Not a big surprise for him on that side of the ice. He's not the offensive guy, and he almost always plays with the Wild's 2nd-4th-line forwards. And those lines aren't scoring. The only line that does is the #1 line, and Schultz doesn't get much time with them. For example last year Schultz was on the ice for considerably more goals. But his +/- was fair because the team was scoring far more too.

Corsi is not a reliable stat to use this year. The Wild were winning when the Corsi said they should be getting blown out. Then the Wild went into an epic slide and all the while the Corsi numbers dramatically improved. Tough to go by that this year.

Schultz isn't a big hitter. But he has double the hits of Spurgeon, so should we dump #46, right? Good defense isn't about hitting.

I'm going to get worked up now because I believe we just traded away the better player. We can revisit who's right as time goes on.

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No, and I think your jump to that conclusion is far-fetched. Perhaps you should post the entire quote.
It's just remarkable how many players Fletcher has acquired that he's had prior experience with. Find someone new for once.

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02-27-2012, 06:00 PM
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It's just remarkable how many players Fletcher has acquired that he's had prior experience with. Find someone new for once.
If those moves didn't work out, I would be inclined to agree with you, but most of these moves have worked out.

Kyle Brodziak, Nick Johnson (not sure who else there is...)

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02-27-2012, 06:18 PM
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It's just remarkable how many players Fletcher has acquired that he's had prior experience with. Find someone new for once.
He did. His name was Barker. How did that work out? Yeah. Thought so.

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02-27-2012, 06:28 PM
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Gilbert is a solid #3 defenseman. Don't let anyone tell you guys otherwise.

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02-27-2012, 06:51 PM
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Great. On a team of middle pairing and specialists that's what we need. Another overpriced middling.

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02-27-2012, 06:52 PM
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If those moves didn't work out, I would be inclined to agree with you, but most of these moves have worked out.

Kyle Brodziak, Nick Johnson (not sure who else there is...)
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02-27-2012, 07:02 PM
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2 out of 3 qualifies as most.

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Christensen sounds like hes trying to work on things which is more than can be said about a few other people. Will it pay off? Who knows.

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02-27-2012, 07:12 PM
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Interesting the HF reaction skews towards "Wild win". I honestly think it's win-win or at least meh-meh but oh well. That could be good?
I dont know much about Schultz, but dont get your hopes up about Gilbert. He started out great, had a couple good years, then did a 180 and was horrid for two years, this year he has been pretty good up until he was injured by Carcillo. He hasnt been very good since coming back.

He has decent offensive skills, good passer, decent but not great shot, is not physical at all, and is more often than not a nightmare in his own end. Very little intensity to his game, and will stand around looking at his feet when the rough stuff goes down.

Best of luck to you guys.

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Christensen has already won us a game with his shootout ability, which is the main reason he was brought in with so many of our skilled shootout players sidelined because of injury. Wellman was a wannabe that couldn't even stick with the big club with all of our injuries. Sure Christensen hasn't scored in a real game yet, but I wouldn't call that trade a loss by any means

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02-27-2012, 07:13 PM
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compared to the assets given up i'd say he definitely didn't lose out. Wellman is a career AHL'er. Patrick O'Sullivan 2.0 without the NHL success. Christiansen has been exactly what we expected. Good faceoff guy, great in the shootout, and provides another skilled player for the PP. His production in terms of points so far is obviously nothing, but we didn't get him because we thought he would score a whole bunch of goals.

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02-27-2012, 07:18 PM
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I'm not a fan of Christensen, but that trade is just a lateral move. We gave up someone who was way down our depth charts and wasn't impressing at the NHL level for someone who is the exact same but with some SO skills.

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02-27-2012, 07:20 PM
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It's just remarkable how many players Fletcher has acquired that he's had prior experience with. Find someone new for once.
Because it's always good to have a GM pick up a guy he knows little about vs. bringing in a guy where he knows what he's gonna get.

You want someone "new" for a change? Okay, who do you think we should have brought in?

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Because it's always good to have a GM pick up a guy he knows little about vs. bringing in a guy where he knows what he's gonna get.
And let's not forget that it goes the other way, too: Fletch probably passes over plenty of guys from his old teams who might not look decent on paper because he knows they wouldn't mesh well with the coach or the locker room. We just don't hear about those.

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02-27-2012, 07:28 PM
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I'm going to hold off on judging the trade till I see how Gilbert plays, and the team as a whole. People calling this a shake up, I just hope it's a positive one. It may have a negative effect on the players seeing a well liked treammate get traded.

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02-27-2012, 07:32 PM
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Had a little panic attack... Momentarily saw mental flashes of Gilbert being the second coming of Zidlicky.

Hopefully he's more of a PMD than a shooter.

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No offense to some of you guys but honestly this is a business, there are things you do to make money and win a championship for your club, your city, and your state. As its already known, the playoffs are where the money is at for front office. Something this team hasn't done in how long again? Tickets aren't selling, players don't want to be here or come here, fans are getting more fair weather. This team needs an enema.

Hate to break it to you, but outside the Lynx winning the WNBA the Wild are easily the closest to bringing us a parade down Hennepin Ave or Kellogg. That isn't saying much IMO

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02-27-2012, 07:37 PM
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No offense to some of you guys but honestly this is a business, there are things you do to make money and win a championship for your club, your city, and your state. As its already known, the playoffs are where the money is at for front office. Something this team hasn't done in how long again? Tickets aren't selling, players don't want to be here or come here, fans are getting more fair weather. This team needs an enema.

Hate to break it to you, but outside the Lynx winning the WNBA the Wild are easily the closest to bringing us a parade down Hennepin Ave or Kellogg. That isn't saying much IMO
Well the defense is certainly getting one.

All I know is that it was nice to see the defensemen helping out offensively in the last game. We need more of it. Yes, Schultz scored, but how long did it take him to do so? We need more guys who have a decent shot and aren't afraid to take it.

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02-27-2012, 07:47 PM
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Well the defense is certainly getting one.

All I know is that it was nice to see the defensemen helping out offensively in the last game. We need more of it. Yes, Schultz scored, but how long did it take him to do so? We need more guys who have a decent shot and aren't afraid to take it.
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If you guys are expecting Gilbert to be a second pairing d-man, you'll be thrilled with his performance. If you expect him to be a top-pairing d-man, you'll be very pleased some nights, and frustrated on others. He's a good #2, great #3. Eminently useful player. I'm really choked we're giving him up.

He's just not an Edmonton "type" player. He doesn't hit like a brick **** house despite his size (though he's been much more physical this year). He's very much a finesse defenseman, but he's very good at it. Oiler fans often see him poke the puck away from the opposition when he has the opportunity to really plow them and they write him off for it. And he tries higher risk breakout passes from time to time-- if they connect, you've got an odd man rush. Sometimes they don't and he has egg on his face. Nature of the beast, I guess.

Anyway, loved his durability, his mentorship of the younger d-men, and his willingness to do anything and everything his coaches asked of him. Really one of the very few highlights of the past few years for me. Enjoy him, Minny, he's a beaut.

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02-27-2012, 10:49 PM
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I dare to say I love the shakeup. Kaptian would have been the only other to make this type of impact via trade.

I don't mean to hate on shultz... but really, is he your #1 guy? or second, thrid, maybe 4th? Does he matter 1 year from now?


That being said. Love your service. Good luck on the Oliers.

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02-27-2012, 11:00 PM
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We had a nickname for Gilbert, GRENADE Gilbert when he's in his own Zone KA-BOOM

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We had a nickname for Gilbert, GRENADE Gilbert when he's in his own Zone KA-BOOM
I had a nickname for Schultz too. It was "Stop standing around watching the puck go by you and do something you moron!!!!!"

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02-27-2012, 11:16 PM
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I had a nickname for Schultz too. It was "Stop standing around watching the puck go by you and do something you moron!!!!!"
I feel like nicknames should be shorter than real names.

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