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02-27-2012, 03:50 PM
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Gilbert shouldn't have had to lead us. Would have been nice to have him on a second pairing here and have some legitimate d men on the top pairing.
I don't mean him as the main guy, I mean is he the type of guy who you're going to win with?

Do you see him as a 'playoff warrior' 'winner' type?

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At this point, Tambellini needs to add Shea frickin Weber (without any subtraction to the defense) in order to make this D-corps respectable.
That's a bit of an over statement, and its not really relevant since you would probably have said the same thing before the trade was made.

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02-27-2012, 03:52 PM
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Besides, is Gilbert the kind of guy that's going to lead us through the playoffs? Is he that guy?
Is Schultz?

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02-27-2012, 03:53 PM
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Tambo said in his PC that Schultz plays both LD and RD. So enough with the "Potter is our #2RD"

Smid-Petry
Whitney-Schultz
Sutton-Potter

Not bad for the rest of the season. I like the blueline if Tambo can add a top 4 pmd in the off-season.

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02-27-2012, 03:54 PM
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To me it looks more like 2 good 'middle' pairings, that can give you 20-22 minutes per night...and that's OK.

Not every team has the prototypical top pairing that plays 25+minutes per game. It's a luxury, not a necessity.

The trick the Oilers need to pull off in order to make it work though is to obtain a noticeable upgrade in goaltending. IMO that is a must.
No question on the goaltending. I think the jury is back on Dubnyk so addressing that has to be priority #1.

As for the D, heading into the deadline I saw - at minimum - an upgrade needed for the top pair (I don't mean that as they had to address it at the deadline, just that it was an issue moving forward).

Whitney ...
Smid Gilbert
Sutton Petry
7th guy

Not great but with a legit top pair defender it would be workable.

Coming out of the deadline they have;

Whitney ...
Smid Schultz
Sutton Petry
7th guy

At best it's a push, more realistically they lose something because the second pair doesn't have a great transition game.

The only way it improves noticeable is if a guy like Petry or some other prospect steps up and kicks the jambs out but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that. If anything I think you are more likely to see growing pains out of a guy like Petry as opposed to a great leap forward.

It wasn't going to be smooth with him playing a lesser role, it's most likely going to be outright ugly if he is pushed up the line up like people are suggesting.

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02-27-2012, 03:55 PM
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Tambo said in his PC that Schultz plays both LD and RD. So enough with the "Potter is our #2RD"

Smid-Petry
Whitney-Schultz
Sutton-Potter

Not bad for the rest of the season. I like the blueline if Tambo can add a top 4 pmd in the off-season.
whitney - Petry plays easier match up minutes with Nuge, hemsky and hall
Smid - Schultz - east the other teams top line with horcoff, jones and whoever
Sutton - Potter - plays the minutes behind eberle/gagner and MPs

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Tambo said in his PC that Schultz plays both LD and RD. So enough with the "Potter is our #2RD"

Smid-Petry
Whitney-Schultz
Sutton-Potter

Not bad for the rest of the season. I like the blueline if Tambo can add a top 4 pmd in the off-season.
But tonight,

Smid-Petry
Whitney-Potter
Sutton-Barker

ugly. With just one injury, that is where we are at. Worst in the league?

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02-27-2012, 03:56 PM
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We're loaded in the D pipe with PMD types. We're missing the elite PP offensive D-man that I see in Ryan Ellis, Tyson Barrie, Erik Karlsson, Lubo.

Gilbert was a "do all" D-man, but didn't excel in any aspect.

I'd be interested in bring back Grebs - weirdly.

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02-27-2012, 03:57 PM
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Do you remember how awful everything looked the year after we dealt Pronger? That was because no one off our back could make a good outlet pass to all the forwards we had.
Except Pronger was a top 5 Dman in the league, Gilbert is a far cry from that... I like the trade, and I was a fan of Gilbert, especially this season, but with Schultz you pretty much know what you are getting, while Gilbert would look like a #1 some nights, and then look like he belonged in the AHL other nights.

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But tonight,

Smid-Petry
Whitney-Potter
Sutton-Barker

ugly. With just one injury, that is where we are at. Worst in the league?
We were the worst in the league before.

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02-27-2012, 03:58 PM
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Im surprised by the reaction on here as one of his biggest supporters I was a little disappointed but schultz is a very good player and is probably a little better suited to the shutdown role Gilbert had been playing. I don't think this is an awful trade although I would argue Gilbert is a bit better Schultz will put the d in balance and moving a righty may be to make room for teubert

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Was stunned when I heard this deal went down.
Reading the Wild fans opinions makes me feel a bit better about Schultz.
But this is a lateral move at best though, in that we seem to lose the offense but get some more solid defense.
So all the being said, the Oilers still have a ton of work to do to improve the defensive core of the team.

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We're loaded in the D pipe with PMD types. We're missing the elite PP offensive D-man that I see in Ryan Ellis, Tyson Barrie, Erik Karlsson, Lubo.

Gilbert was a "do all" D-man, but didn't excel in any aspect.

I'd be interested in bring back Grebs - weirdly.
I get the feeling they may try to re-acquire Visnovsky in the summer. Though Anaheim has been on one heckuva tear, they may not move him so easily anymore.

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02-27-2012, 03:59 PM
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Initially was baffled by this deal, but upon further reflection it makes quite a bit of sense.

Oilers need an offensive defenseman in a bad way, and Tom Gilbert who was paid on his potential for offense is settling into a defensive style player. So a trade of a lower end puckmover that doesn't provide offense and is terrible on the powerplay for a more specialized, and higher end defensive defenseman makes sense. The team still needs that productive puckmover, but also gets a bit tougher to play against, and a bit less turnover prone.

Big risk going forward with Petry being one of the top defenseman, Gilbert looked like a puckrusher in his first two seasons as well. But clearly management and coaching believes in him. He's been our top minute defenseman over the last 2 months, sometimes playing upwards of 12 minutes of some periods.

And why the hell would anyone want Matt Carle? He's average at best defensively, and mediocre offensively. Most of his fame is from playing with Pronger, the guy that once made MA Bergeron look good at playing defense.

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02-27-2012, 04:00 PM
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You guys know Schultz is a top notch shutdown guy right?

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02-27-2012, 04:02 PM
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I get the feeling they may try to re-acquire Visnovsky in the summer. Though Anaheim has been on one heckuva tear, they may not move him so easily anymore.
Visnovsky wanted to be traded from here, he's not coming back although i would welcome him back with open arms. He would be a great stopgap until Murray or Dumba will be ready but it won't happen.

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You guys know Schultz is a top notch shutdown guy right?
How is he a top notch shutdown guy? He was 5th for TOI on the Wild's D.

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02-27-2012, 04:04 PM
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trade saves oilers 500k a year tad more cap room and shorter deal
gives them flexability.to bad they couldnt unload barker too

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Initially was baffled by this deal, but upon further reflection it makes quite a bit of sense.

Oilers need an offensive defenseman in a bad way, and Tom Gilbert who was paid on his potential for offense is settling into a defensive style player. So a trade of a lower end puckmover that doesn't provide offense and is terrible on the powerplay for a more specialized, and higher end defensive defenseman makes sense. The team still needs that productive puckmover, but also gets a bit tougher to play against, and a bit less turnover prone.

Big risk going forward with Petry being one of the top defenseman, Gilbert looked like a puckrusher in his first two seasons as well. But clearly management and coaching believes in him. He's been our top minute defenseman over the last 2 months, sometimes playing upwards of 12 minutes of some periods.

And why the hell would anyone want Matt Carle? He's average at best defensively, and mediocre offensively. Most of his fame is from playing with Pronger, the guy that once made MA Bergeron look good at playing defense.
Watch the Flyers, Carle is one of their best puck movers.

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What in the **** was the point?

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How is he a top notch shutdown guy? He was 5th for TOI on the Wild's D.
Please tell me that's not true.

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How is he a top notch shutdown guy? He was 5th for TOI on the Wild's D.
In total ice time yes. Leader in ES and SH ice time, though, which is where it counts for a shutdown guy.

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How is he a top notch shutdown guy? He was 5th for TOI on the Wild's D.
The TOI doesn't tell the whole story here...Schultz doesn't play on the PP.

He did however play the toughest minutes and this team has precious few dmen like that.

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02-27-2012, 04:07 PM
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We were the worst in the league before.
We're 10 goals off the NHL median in GA. Save the first 15 games, we've had very average Goaltending this season. So no, we weren't the worst.

Not sure Gilbert for Schultz does anything but help in that regard either. Where it might hurt us is in our transition game.

Also, to Misfit: Tambellini just said part of the appeal is Schultz's ability to play both sides. Whitney will play right side tonight. We have one defenseman who's proven he can't move over, and he's our top LD.

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How is he a top notch shutdown guy? He was 5th for TOI on the Wild's D.
#1 in ES TOI
#1 in PK TOI

How is he not?

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