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[VAN/CBJ] Canucks acquire F Samuel Pahlsson for Taylor Ellington, two 4ths in 2012

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02-27-2012, 07:53 PM
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There are now 4 or 5 truly elite defensive forwards on this team (Kesler, Pahlsson, Hansen, Manny, Burrows) - that bodes well.

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Is Pahlsson even capable of playing on a third line anymore. He looked slow and washed up with the Hawks a few years ago and has been playing on the worst team in hockey.

I'm not sure he's even an upgrade on Malhotra. It's not 2007 anymore.

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02-27-2012, 08:56 PM
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Sami Pahlsson by the numbers:

Season QualComp Rank OZone Starts Corsi Teammate 1 Teammate 2
2011/12 3rd 32.2% -9.9 Derek Dorsett Antoine Vermette
2010/11 2nd 34.2% -6.7 Derek Dorsett Chris Clark
2009/10 1st 33.1% -8.3 Chris Clark Jason Chimera
2008/09 3rd 40.7% -10.1 Rob Niedermayer Travis Moen
2007/08 2nd 43.4% -7.8 Rob Niedermayer Travis Moen

Factoring in that he's played on worse teams the last three years, his results are remarkably consistent year by year. Doesn't seem to be any measurable drop off in his play over the last five seasons.
I've always seen Pahlsson as one of the best pure defensive forwards in the game. Statistically how does he rank statistically compared to our top defensive players, and other top defensive forwards?

Pahlsson was a guy I thought would be on our radar. With how Mlahotra is being used it'll be a big help on that 4th line IMO.

Lapierre hopefully takes the 3rd line centre position and runs with it. We have to remember that playoff Lapierre is a completely different player.

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02-27-2012, 09:01 PM
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I've always seen Pahlsson as one of the best pure defensive forwards in the game. Statistically how does he rank statistically compared to our top defensive players, and other top defensive forwards?
Pahlsson's numbers the last five years are almost identical to what Malhotra accomplished last season.

Last year Malhotra played the toughest competition on the team, had a 25% Ozone start rate, and posted a -9.5 Corsi. Malhotra had slightly tougher minutes but Pahlsson has had worse linemates the last couple years, so I'd say it's a wash.

Malhotra's had a tougher time this season, so playing with Pahlsson should be an improvement.

Pahlsson's numbers are pretty similar to Bolland's and McClement's in terms of comparables, though Bolland gets better results. Brandon Sutter is also a decent comp.

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02-27-2012, 09:04 PM
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Malhotra Pahlsson Raymond ... That would be a great shutdown line.

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Malhotra Pahlsson Raymond ... That would be a great shutdown line.
Leaving Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen.

Not bad.

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02-27-2012, 09:23 PM
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Pahlsson's numbers the last five years are almost identical to what Malhotra accomplished last season.
Then he's definately a strong candidate to be retained IMO. With how the 4th line is being used it just seems like the perfect fit.

I would much rather see Pahlsson on our 4th line then on one of our competitors. The Sedins probably the happiest of all.

Really like this move. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pahlsson with us for 3 playoff runs.

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Leaving Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen.

Not bad.
Exactly. For the playoffs run with something like this if Kassian turns out to be god.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Higgins Lapierre Hansen (Hopefully they pot some more goals this time)
Malhotra Pahlsson Raymond (Shutdown pairing)
Weise

Edler Salo
Hamhuis Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Rome Gragnani
Alberts


This gives Raymond freedom to carry the puck and carry the offense himself, in addition it gives him a defined role which attributes his defensive skills. He can be a pest with his speed.


That is of course assuming Kassian meshes with Kesler. Otherwise we'll probably see some other sort of combination.

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02-27-2012, 10:01 PM
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apparently Pahlsson's numbers are better than Manny's this year.

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Pahlsson is a solid defensive forward. Just don't expect him to score much. I guess he is a depth player in case Malhotra gets injured or something.

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If Sami is limited to 4th line minutes, I think that he'll have enough juice left in him to be just as effective as he was when he won it all with the Ducks.

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Pahlsson is AHL talent on NHL salary. Still somehow surviving on his Ducks playoff performance that was severely aided by two HoF D-men.


At least he wins faceoffs I guess.

Nah I can't even pretend. I hate trading for mediocrity.

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02-27-2012, 11:53 PM
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To be fair Edler reached the Modo organisation, but he was not a product of them. He is a product of ÖIK, he and Ulf Dahlén are the only players from that organisation to reach NHL.

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02-28-2012, 12:07 AM
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Pahlsson is AHL talent on NHL salary. Still somehow surviving on his Ducks playoff performance that was severely aided by two HoF D-men.
AHL offensive talent? Sure. But he's still a premier shutdown forward. Pahlsson has been on the ice for the 2nd fewest goals against/minute of any forward on the Blue Jackets, playing very difficult minutes.

If he's brought in to flank Malhotra, it's hard not to love this move IMO.

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guess Lappy will be our 3c and Pahlsson becomes a spare Manny on the 4th line

that ugly and I can't seem to find a way to make it not ugly.

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guess Lappy will be our 3c and Pahlsson becomes a spare Manny on the 4th line

that ugly and I can't seem to find a way to make it not ugly.
It allows us to roll four lines and not have to worry about our fourth line getting scored on. It's pretty sweet actually. I'm sure Luongo and Schneider did a fist bump after hearing about the trade.

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Exactly. For the playoffs run with something like this if Kassian turns out to be god.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Higgins Lapierre Hansen (Hopefully they pot some more goals this time)
Malhotra Pahlsson Raymond (Shutdown pairing)
Weise

Edler Salo
Hamhuis Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Rome Gragnani
Alberts
I really like those forward lines. Everyone is moaning about the 3rd line and how it won't be as effective, but it still has an element where it will catch teams' 3rd pairing defensemen's off guard if matched up against them.

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Pahlsson is a solid defensive forward. Just don't expect him to score much. I guess he is a depth player in case Malhotra gets injured or something.
Pahlsson, in my eyes, is a Malhotra, but better because of not having gone through an injury like Manny has. But, Manny has been doing better lately IMO, so we truly have some great shutdown forwards. We should win faceoffs at the snap of a finger now.


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Samuelsson, in my eyes, is a Malhotra, but better because of not having gone through an injury like Manny has. But, Manny has been doing better lately IMO, so we truly have some great shutdown forwards. We should win faceoffs at the snap of a finger now.
Samuel Pahlsson, not Samuelsson

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He's always been like that, he is a very shy and humble person, typical person from North Sweden. Even after they won the Stanley Cup he didn't sound much more excited than this

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Samuel Pahlsson, not Samuelsson
Wow, that....that was confusing.

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I never like specialist (Johnson) - and one that's past his prime. Wish we would of gotten Ott instead. We have 3 - 4th line centres now.

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I really like this addition. It gives us the option of having 3 lines that we can put out against the oppositions premier offensive players with 'no' worries. While still having the Sedins starting in the O-zone a lot. That's gonna be a luxury when we have to play deep offences in the playoffs. We won't have to worry about a weak line being caught out on an icing.
Having Ellington going the other way is nice as well, though I would have preferred Tochkin, though that was probably impossible, since there just had to go an expirering contract the other way.

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"Danny, Hank. Can you guys come in here for a moment?"

"Sure Mr Gillis, no problem."

"I have to replace Cody, his daddy wants him closer to home, and I'm sick of dealing with his 'camp', so we need a new third line center. So can you guys tell me who you think is the hardest forward in the league is to play against?"

"Easy Mike, that would be Sami ..."
"... Pahlsson, with Columbus. No doubt. We hate playing him."

"Thanks guys, I'll see what I can do."




My fly on the wall said that's what he heard. Right down to the twins finishing each others sentences.

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