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02-27-2012, 08:10 PM
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Yeah giving Oduya Leddy/Olsen minutes will be great

Oduya is 30 yr old who plays D as bad as a 21 yr old and a 20 yr old

Oduya is not a defensive dman. He has always been liablity in his career in his own end
Come on man, he was great in New Jersey, and has played for a ****** team ever since. In his days in New Jersey, he was a +21, +27 player.

At least give him a chance before you right him off.

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He was Devils primary PMD and had the greatest goalie in NHL history and rigid D system

He was not good defensively ,, Never has been

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02-27-2012, 08:13 PM
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That is different than laughing at people who wanted him, no? Pretty big difference between wanting someone and wanting someone at an exorbitant price; you can count me in the former of the two. You never stated that though so it is a tad bit hard to give you the benefit of the doubt when all you spew is 5th grade level nonsense.

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switch fro/shaw with Hayes and bickell with kruger and you may be on to something.
I had that initially but feel that third line is awfully slow so I added Kruger instead of Bickell..Bickell and Hayes= inexperienced big and slow, IMO

Not to say Kruger is Bure, but he back checks pretty fast.

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He was Devils primary PMD and had the greatest goalie in NHL history and rigid D system

He was not good defensively ,, Never has been
Brodeur played 31 games in 2008 - Oduya +21

In 2007, Brodeur was lights out, but Oduya led the team with a +27, next closest was his partner, Paul Martin (who is more porous defensively), with a +20, next after that? +11

He has not always been crap defensively, and Jets fans said he has actually been better as of late and were sad to see him go.

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That is different than laughing at people who wanted him, no? Pretty big difference between wanting someone and wanting someone at an exorbitant price; you can count me in the former of the two. You never stated that though so it is a tad bit hard to give you the benefit of the doubt when all you spew is 5th grade level nonsense.
After he was traded for a 1st, people were still saying we should of got him. That's what I was laughing at.


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02-27-2012, 08:18 PM
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After he was traded for a 1st, people were still saying we should of got him. That's what I was laughing at.

Fair enough. I did not read the whole deadline thread.

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I had that initially but feel that third line is awfully slow so I added Kruger instead of Bickell..Bickell and Hayes= inexperienced big and slow, IMO

Not to say Kruger is Bure, but he back checks pretty fast.
So Hayes and Bickell are inexperienced big and slow.
but Kruger is inexperienced small and weak.

Give me the bigger player in this case.

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Brodeur played 31 games in 2008 - Oduya +21

In 2007, Brodeur was lights out, but Oduya led the team with a +27, next closest was his partner, Paul Martin (who is more porous defensively), with a +20, next after that? +11

He has not always been crap defensively, and Jets fans said he has actually been better as of late and were sad to see him go.
Mike Green 09/10 = +39

Green should have won Norris ,, Guy clearly was the greatest Dman in NHL that year

Look at that +/- ,, He is legend defensively

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I have a feeling he's going to be the new whipping boy around here - no matter how he plays.

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This is all very interesting but I wish to return to the subject of free pizzas and wondering where mine is.

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Honestly would have been better off picking up Campoli for alot cheaper

Campoli > Oduya ,,, God what an awful trade this was

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This is all very interesting but I wish to return to the subject of free pizzas and wondering where mine is.
It is nowhere to be found and never will be. Such is the nature of free things originating on the interwebs.

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Honestly would have been better off picking up Campoli for alot cheaper

Campoli > Oduya ,,, God what an awful trade this was
An equal sign would be much more apt.

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The only people calling this a horrible deal are typical Chicago fans who are upset that this guy isn't going to single handedly win us a Cup.

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I had that initially but feel that third line is awfully slow so I added Kruger instead of Bickell..Bickell and Hayes= inexperienced big and slow, IMO

Not to say Kruger is Bure, but he back checks pretty fast.
bickell and hayes (mostly just bickell) aren't slow and kruger can't even stay on his feet...

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Mike Green 09/10 = +39

Green should have won Norris ,, Guy clearly was the greatest Dman in NHL that year

Look at that +/- ,, He is legend defensively
Green was fantastic offensively to make up for his crappy defense. Not to mention, he played on some of the best offensive teams ever.

Oduya has never got over 30 pts, and played in a defensive first org......MAJOR difference.

All I am saying is, wait to see how he does with the Hawks before throwing him under a bus. Oduya is better than Campoli.

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Sorry but Oduya has been #### for last 2 years and in NJ he was covered for his defensive gaffes

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Sorry but Oduya has been #### for last 2 years and in NJ he was covered for his defensive gaffes
By who?

Oduya was the main piece in the Kovalchuk deal, other teams were offering roughly what we were offering today. Those GMs (GMs of contenders) disagree with you.

If Jet fans were sad to see him go, i'll take their word over yours.

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By who?

Oduya was the main piece in the Kovalchuk deal, other teams were offering roughly what we were offering today. Those GMs (GMs of contenders) disagree with you.

If Jet fans were sad to see him go, i'll take their word over yours.
Oduya was not the main piece of Kovalchuk deal

He was spare part

Niclas Bergfors and Patrice Cormier + 1st/2nd were what Thrashers wanted

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Yeah giving Oduya Leddy/Olsen minutes will be great

Oduya is 30 yr old who plays D as bad as a 21 yr old and a 20 yr old

Oduya is not a defensive dman. He has always been liablity in his career in his own end
bit dramatic?

he hasnt even laced up his skates in Chicago and you write him off?

you claim he isnt solid defensively, then get the facts put on here of his stellar plus/minus, then you come up with some asanine argument for his plus/minus and how he didnt deserve it......

I know Oduya isnt a shutdown dman, but he is an upgrade over Leddy, Olsen, and Lepisto hands down...he has some solid years no matter the team or goalie, and trying to diminish that is stupid and pointless.

I thought I was bat**** crazy on some of my opinions.....

geez, give the dude a chance before you regulate him to Frolik suckville status....

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The only people calling this a horrible deal are typical Chicago fans who are upset that this guy isn't going to single handedly win us a Cup.
So if he isn't going to get us the Cup... why did we trade for a rental?

I still don't see the point of this deal other than throwing away our 2nd and 3rd rounder that we could use for a deal in the offseason or next years trade deadline(when we might have a chance to win the Cup). With Oduya maybe we draft at 20 instead of 17 or something. Great!

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Remember when Stalberg was a bust and people were mad he got 2 years at 750,000 a year. Now he is looked at like a gem.

Oduya I don't know much about him other than he sounds like a 4-5th defenseman that was paid more like a 4th defenseman. He clearly had a few big years behind him. We aren't going to see those types of +/- numbers.

Look we probably paid a little heavily for him.... Who cares. Let's see what he can do.

I'm not sold that he is a rental. Welcome to Chicago Oduya! Players and people find ways to stay here. Oduya has things to prove. What was Campoli asking for when we told him to walk... 2.1 million. Anyway, I think Bowman will offer him a contract similar to the way they structured Montador's deal just one year less -- Oduya is a bit older. 2.75 2.75 2.75 throw 4 million at him the first year but keep a cap hit at 2.75


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Remember when Stalberg was a bust and people were mad he got 2 years at 750,000 a year. Now he is looked at like a gem.
A cubic zirconia maybe. Our playoff opponent is not going to be Columbus.

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