Burns-Murary
Boyle-Vlasic
Demers-Braun
Vandermeer-Irwin
Doherty-Acolatse
Abeltshauser-Semenov
Ozolinsh-Doug Wilson
White-Wallin
Turtle-Tortoise
Santa
Niemi
Greiss
Last edited by Lebanezer: 02-28-2012 at 01:46 PM.
Reason: I realized that Colin White is probably worse than a 200 year old tortoise, but I can't know for sure.
So within the next 2 or 3 weeks, we'll have everybody back and assuming nobody else goes on IR, who do they keep, and who do they send down/waive to keep the roster down.
The obvious ones staying up would be...
Goalies (2), Top-6 Forwards (6), Top-4 Defense (4), Acquisitions (3) and Handzus w/ a NMC
..to fill out 7 roster spots. I think they want to keep the depth on defense and knowing Vandermeer can play forward, they'll keep all their defensemen in the lineup. Winchester seems to be in good favor so I can't imagine they'd send him down. I think Desjardins and Wingels are waiver exempt. Ferriero is likely to clear, while I would imagine Shepperd would be claimed. So out of those 5 forwards, what 3 do they keep?
So within the next 2 or 3 weeks, we'll have everybody back and assuming nobody else goes on IR, who do they keep, and who do they send down/waive to keep the roster down.
The obvious ones staying up would be...
Goalies (2), Top-6 Forwards (6), Top-4 Defense (4), Acquisitions (3) and Handzus w/ a NMC
..to fill out 7 roster spots. I think they want to keep the depth on defense and knowing Vandermeer can play forward, they'll keep all their defensemen in the lineup. Winchester seems to be in good favor so I can't imagine they'd send him down. I think Desjardins and Wingels are waiver exempt. Ferriero is likely to clear, while I would imagine Shepperd would be claimed. So out of those 5 forwards, what 3 do they keep?
Your assessment is dead on imo. (except you forgot Taco Torrey ) All 4 D stay, Wingels in sent down once Havlat is back, Winchester and Desjardins or Mitchell get the last two spots. You send Ferriero down and if he doesn't clear, so be it. Sheppard is an interesting case...you keep him and waive Desi? Desi has been so good...I don't know - tough question. That's something we worry about in 2 weeks though when Havlat comes back and Sheppard is back from his conditioning stint.
Let's see how Shep does in his stint with Worcester. My guess is if he lights it up in the AHL, he stays....if not, I find it hard to believe he stays over any of the other guys
Your assessment is dead on imo. (except you forgot Taco Torrey ) All 4 D stay, Wingels in sent down once Havlat is back, Winchester and Desjardins or Mitchell get the last two spots. You send Ferriero down and if he doesn't clear, so be it. Sheppard is an interesting case...you keep him and waive Desi? Desi has been so good...I don't know - tough question. That's something we worry about in 2 weeks though when Havlat comes back and Sheppard is back from his conditioning stint.
so you would suggest that they would not find a spot for a guy currently playing on the first or second line? admit that he is just keeping the spot warm for Havlat's return, but I think he stays based on the way he has been playing. I think Mitchell was shopped and with no takers, gets sent down, with little risk that someone claims him.
Last edited by hawkytalk: 02-28-2012 at 02:15 PM.
Reason: additional thought
so you would suggest that they would not find a spot for a guy currently playing on the first or second line? admit that he is just keeping the spot warm for Havlat's return, but I think he stays based on the way he has been playing
Wingels may get sent down since he is exempt from waivers and brought back up when the roster limit is lifted. DW may also get creative with the IR
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Honestly, on paper, that is a very good and deep team; the problem is, they don't seem to like to play to their potential; and the coaches make questionable choices sometimes.
there's just too many line combinations to list, but ideally i could see any of those working quite well. each line has a 2nd center that can easily play wing (i'd hope). our faceoffs, and PK should be phenomenal with this depth.
when healthy (and even if not) that's quite a list on paper with depth to replace. need to play to their potential.
I just hope 20 games is enough for our coaching to figure out what works and what doesn't and to give plenty of rest to the people who need it - give some more games to Demers and Vandermeer to let White rest (he will be playing, so get used to it...might as well give him resting time), give Handzus some breaks...at least keep him fresh, he might be at least somewhat useful that way, etc. :-)
there's just too many line combinations to list, but ideally i could see any of those working quite well. each line has a 2nd center that can easily play wing (i'd hope). our faceoffs, and PK should be phenomenal with this depth.
when healthy (and even if not) that's quite a list on paper with depth to replace. need to play to their potential.
I like the idea of the top 2 lines being Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski and Galiardi-Couture-Clowe. Problem is it puts Havlat on the 3rd line.
By the time the playoffs roll around I expect the lines to look like this:
Actually I think my question is moot because the roster limit is lifted after the trade deadline, right?
Correct. I thought it was later.
Quote:
23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline. Prior to the start of the season, each Club must submit to the NHL its "Opening Day Playing Roster" which shall be comprised of not more than 23 players. Each Club must have a roster of at least 20 players, composed of 18 skaters and two goaltenders. Players on Injured Reserve do not count in the 23-man limit.
According to Article 16 Section 4, the 23-man roster limit is in place from the conclusion of the preseason until 12:01 am on the day of the NHL’s Trade Deadline. After that teams are allowed to have an unlimited active roster at the NHL level, provided players are signed to one of their 50 contract slots
a) Unless Wingels keeps this up (which I doubt...sorry for bursting your bubble folks - I think he will go cold like he did after training camp), that last spot on the 4th line will be Winchester or Mitchell with an occasional time they both get it to rest Handzus.
b) On the PP, there's no way only Havlat or Clowe play - they both do, so in order to do that, we need an extra C on the 2nd unit. Give Galiardi a confidence boost - throw him on the 1st PP unit! Also, no way Vlasic plays on a PP unit over Braun or Demers.
c) On the PK, I think the reason we got these new guys is to rest the top players a bit more, so...
Moore-Winnik (totally agree with you there)
Handzus-Galiardi (rest Couture a bit more as well - let Handzus do his job especially if he is now on the 4th line so he should be a bit more fresh and ready to go on the PK)
Desjardins/Mitchell-Marleau (Depending on which one plays, and if Handzus is benched, Desjardins plays on 2nd F unit with Galiardi, and Mitchell plays here)
Pavelski-Thornton (No explanations needed :])
Couture-Havlat (give Havlat a little bit of time on there to spread the minutes around)
Winnik - Moore (or Galiardi if they paired together in COL)
Galiardi - Desjardins
Marleau - Pavelski
Couture - Thornton
It would be nice if our top guys wouldn't have to play the PK, which would keep them fresh for even strength and PP. Its always nice to have your top line jump on th ice after a PK, A la Vancuver and the Sedins. Hopefully Winnik, Morre and maybe Galiardi can provide that for us.
Yep - the Sharks are currently carrying 25 players w/ just Havlat on IR. Don't think they ever put Murray or Moore on IR (guess they could have and not told anyone). They also had to open a roster spot to activate Sheppard if I'm remembering right.
so you would suggest that they would not find a spot for a guy currently playing on the first or second line? admit that he is just keeping the spot warm for Havlat's return, but I think he stays based on the way he has been playing. I think Mitchell was shopped and with no takers, gets sent down, with little risk that someone claims him.
Yep - the Sharks are currently carrying 25 players w/ just Havlat on IR. Don't think they ever put Murray or Moore on IR (guess they could have and not told anyone). They also had to open a roster spot to activate Sheppard if I'm remembering right.
Yep...I'm pretty sure by the postseason (if we make it LOL), A. Murray will be back up as will Wingels, Ferriero, Sheppard, McCarthy, and probably even Tim Kennedy. On defense, you might as well bring Moore up too and a 3rd goalie like Greiss last year, so maybe Stalock. I really, really like our depth. The only thing that worries me is someone filling in for a long-term top-6 injury to someone during or right before the playoffs (cough Havlat again cough).
Lots of good ideas here. We definitely have the depth now to handle some injuries, and the ability to give many different looks to our lines depending on the game/opponent/etc.
I think Sacto's will be the starting point, but as the other two show, we can spread the scoring while also having an excellent forth line.
) All 4 D stay, Wingels in sent down once Havlat is back, Winchester and Desjardins or Mitchell get the last two spots. You send Ferriero down and if he doesn't clear, so be it. Sheppard is an interesting case...you keep him and waive Desi? Desi has been so good...I don't know - tough question. That's something we worry about in 2 weeks though when Havlat comes back and Sheppard is back from his conditioning stint. 
