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02-27-2012, 10:06 PM
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Guys! Kassian has no front teeth. Kassian>>>>>>>> Hodson. /thread. lol

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Playing Hodgson as the 3rd line Center this year in the playoffs would have been the risk. Hodgson also didn't manage to displace any wingers as well.

The team has been made better for this playoff run, there is no doubts about that in my mind.
Basically, Hodgson is replaced by Pahlsson.

Kassian likely slots in somewhere in the top 6.

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Just horrible for the Canucks. Kassian isn't a mature power forward who can step in and just tip the scales against the size/toughness of the likes of Lucic, Horton, Paille, Thornton, Marchand if Gillis is thinking about a Bruins type rematch or series. At the same time, his upside is probably much lower than Hodgson's. You certainly wouldn't deal a Logan Couture for a Zack Kassian.

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The thing that burns me most about this whole thing is that Raymond is still here.

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Guys! Kassian has no front teeth. Kassian>>>>>>>> Hodson. /thread. lol
Hard to argue with this

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I would have been more comfy with this trade if the Canucks somehow had swung a pick for Gaustad into the trade. I don't see Pahlsson, Lappy or Manny contributing in an offensive aspect.

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How many teams win the cup without excellent depth scoring?

Pittsburgh won the cup despite Crosby only putting up 3 points in 7 games in the SCF because guys like Talbot, Staal, Kennedy, and Fedotenko were able to chip in to support Malkin's primary scoring.

Chicago won despite Toews only putting up 3 points in the SCF because guys like Brouwer, Versteeg, Byfuglien, and Bolland were there to back up Kane, Sharp, and Hossa.

Is the Canucks depth going to be enough if the Sedins get shut down? Is the 3rd line centered by one of Lapierre, Malhotra, or Pahlsson going to provide the elite depth offense that is invariably required to win the cup? Maybe, maybe not. But people shouldn't pretend it's not a potential issue given how a very similar bottom 6 performed last playoffs.
Except just by having Booth on the roster our bottom 6 is significantly stronger. It will mean that Hansen and either Higgins/Raymond will be flanking the 3rd line. I see a Lapierre/Hansen/Raymond line as a quick line that could put up a few points.

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Just horrible for the Canucks. Kassian isn't a mature power forward who can step in and just tip the scales against the size/toughness of the likes of Lucic, Horton, Paille, Thornton, Marchand if Gillis is thinking about a Bruins type rematch or series. At the same time, his upside is probably much lower than Hodgson's. You certainly wouldn't deal a Logan Couture for a Zack Kassian.
Keep dreaming.

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I would have been more comfy with this trade if the Canucks somehow had swung a pick for Gaustad into the trade. I don't see Pahlsson, Lappy or Manny contributing in an offensive aspect.
Booth + Kesler

Do we need an offensive upgrade????

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Pretty sure our top two lines were scoring last year buddy, THEY got us to within 1 game of winning
How'd they do in the Chicago, Nashville and Boston series combined, buddy?

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The thing that burns me most about this whole thing is that Raymond is still here.
what to do with Raymond...

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No, you shouldn't assume anything until you actually understand what you are talking about.
That defeats the whole purpose of the discussion board. My assumption isn't even outlandish... if anything you're assuming that he'll be a good replacement for Kesler on our 1st unit PP.

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Just horrible for the Canucks. Kassian isn't a mature power forward who can step in and just tip the scales against the size/toughness of the likes of Lucic, Horton, Paille, Thornton, Marchand if Gillis is thinking about a Bruins type rematch or series. At the same time, his upside is probably much lower than Hodgson's. You certainly wouldn't deal a Logan Couture for a Zack Kassian.
Eh?? Logan Couture is much better than Hodgson, in 50 ways, his numbers last year were much better than even the best case scenario for hodgson (55 points, 30 goals I believe) with really tough corsi stats.

Couture is much better than hodgson, you'd have to be a massive canucks homer to disagree.

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what to do with Raymond...
play him on the third line with pahlson where he will be one of the best checking forwards in the league?

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Booth + Kesler

Do we need an offensive upgrade????
I'm not too confident in their chemistry.

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Just horrible for the Canucks. Kassian isn't a mature power forward who can step in and just tip the scales against the size/toughness of the likes of Lucic, Horton, Paille, Thornton, Marchand if Gillis is thinking about a Bruins type rematch or series. At the same time, his upside is probably much lower than Hodgson's. You certainly wouldn't deal a Logan Couture for a Zack Kassian.
You also wouldn't deal Logan Couture for Cody Hodgson...

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The thing that burns me most about this whole thing is that Raymond is still here.
Statistically, he's doing as well as Grabner right now; and unlike the later, he's coming of a major injury.

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Keep dreaming.
About what?

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I would have been more comfy with this trade if the Canucks somehow had swung a pick for Gaustad into the trade. I don't see Pahlsson, Lappy or Manny contributing in an offensive aspect.
They aren't supposed to.

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Booth + Kesler

Do we need an offensive upgrade????
Yeah we do. Our offense in the playoffs last year was putrid.

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The thing that burns me most about this whole thing is that Raymond is still here.
This 100X. I keep thinking that it's his fault that Cody is gone. This is definitely unwarranted, but I don't think I can help it.

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You also wouldn't deal Logan Couture for Cody Hodgson...
Hodgson has some great hockey sense not unlike Couture, that alone will take him pretty far. He's a kind of player you make room for in your top six.

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I don't understand the lynch mob for Gillis. Lets look back guys, lets look back together! Remember earlier in the year when he got David Booth for scraps, one of our hardest working and consistent scorers as of late, for scraps?
But that's why it hurts even more. If Kassian pans out exactly as hoped, he's Booth with a mean streak. Right now he's nowhere near the player that Booth is. We didn't have to give anything up for Booth, and Hodgson was out best asset.

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what to do with Raymond...
Maybe he'll play better without the shadow of the trade deadling looming over him? Let's hope so because we're stuck with him now.

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Hodgson has some great hockey sense not unlike Couture, that alone will take him pretty far. He's a kind of player you make room for in your top six.
Not if you already have 2 allstar centers and the youngster can't play wing worth a dman. And yes I am talking about Coho. He was terrible as a winger for the Canucks.

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