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02-28-2012, 01:45 PM
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simple.... dont sign an ufa....

ship off pieces for Weber at the draft.

2 firsts, MPS, Klefbom and Horcoff? (im horrible at trade proposals)
Yes, yes you are.

1) Weber is a restricted free agent and will not be available at the draft.
2) Any deal involving Horcoff heading out will not happen. Simple as that.
3) Even if you take Horcoff out, that's a stupid price to pay for a guy who is a restricted free agent and potentially one year from unrestricted free agency.

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Yes, yes you are.

1) Weber is a restricted free agent and will not be available at the draft.
2) Any deal involving Horcoff heading out will not happen. Simple as that.
3) Even if you take Horcoff out, that's a stupid price to pay for a guy who is a restricted free agent and potentially one year from unrestricted free agency.
sorry forgot he signs a 6 year deal... if thats unrealistic whats better for him?

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02-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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The cap will likely rise these next 2 years since it's risen every single year since the lockout. My guess is that it will be close to $70 million by the time the 13/14 season starts which is the year the cap calculations will really matter to the Oilers.

Here's my rough template for what the roster would have to fit into to be at that cap:

Forwards:
7-6-5
5-4-3
2.5-2-1.5
1.5-1.25-1.25
.8-.8

Forwards total 41.6 million

Dmen:
6-5
3-2.5
1.5-1.5
.8
Dmen total 20.3 million

Goalies
5
2.5
Goalies total 7.5 million


Grand Total 69.4 million


I think those are pretty big numbers up above which allow for some big salary increases... and of course you shift and chop to arrange your pieces but I think with proper management this team won't get into cap trouble. I'm not saying it's impossible they do, but with awareness of the cap the team should be able to make the moves it needs to stay under the cap.

Worst case scenario we win the Cup and then stay a strong contender after ripping out depth pieces like Chicago.

None of us know what the next CBA will look like... and that likely goes for the NHLPA and all the owners at this point as well. There could be radical changes with buyout/luxury tax provisions or it could be more of the status quo... no one knows at this point. That's the wild card over the next 3 years and everything is just speculation and almost pointless speculation until we do know the realities of the next CBA agreement.


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02-28-2012, 07:12 PM
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2013-2014

Hall (5-6) - Nugent-Hopkins (5-6) - Hemsky (5)
Paajarvi (2-3) - Gagner (3) - Eberle (5-6)
Smyth (2) - Lander (1) - Pitlick (1)
Eager(1) - Belanger (2) - Hartikainen (1)

Klefbom (1) - Dumba (3)
Smid (3-4) - Schultz (3.5)
Whitney (3-4) - Petry (2-3)

VET
Bunz (1)

AVG AGE: 25
Cap (Rounded): 57.5

Comparing Hall, RNH, Eberle's contracts to Tavares'.

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02-28-2012, 07:16 PM
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2013-2014

Hall (5-6) - Nugent-Hopkins (5-6) - Hemsky (5)
Paajarvi (2-3) - Gagner (3) - Eberle (5-6)
Smyth (2) - Lander (1) - Pitlick (1)
Eager(1) - Belanger (2) - Hartikainen (1)

Klefbom (1) - Dumba (3)
Smid (3-4) - Schultz (3.5)
Whitney (3-4) - Petry (2-3)

VET
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AVG AGE: 25
Cap (Rounded): 57.5

Comparing Hall, RNH, Eberle's contracts to Tavares'.
Nugent Hopkins' ELC is not up until after the Hemsky ($5 mill per) deal is off the books.

So he'd still be sitting at $3.75 mill salary for that season.

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02-28-2012, 07:52 PM
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Comparing Hall, RNH, Eberle's contracts to Tavares'.
Honestly, all three of our players are outperforming Tavares during his first contract. And in the case of Eberle, not by a little.

Gotta think they're going to be in the 6+ range.

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Honestly, all three of our players are outperforming Tavares during his first contract. And in the case of Eberle, not by a little.

Gotta think they're going to be in the 6+ range.
I have a feeling they'll take pay cuts for longer term and will just want to be playing together. They all seem like guys who enjoy each other's presence. Hopefully they help the Oilers out a little.

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Honestly, all three of our players are outperforming Tavares during his first contract. And in the case of Eberle, not by a little.

Gotta think they're going to be in the 6+ range.
If they all demonstrably outperform Tavares, honestly I don't have a problem paying them but the thing about it is Edmonton is likely going to use what Tavares in doing 1-2 years from now as the baseline (ie: 'see Tavares is on pace for 40+ goals this year and he's only getting paid X dollars').

If you buy out the final year of Horcoff's deal, you have a ton of cap room left still.

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If they all demonstrably outperform Tavares, honestly I don't have a problem paying them but the thing about it is Edmonton is likely going to use what Tavares in doing 1-2 years from now as the baseline (ie: 'see Tavares is on pace for 40+ goals this year and he's only getting paid X dollars').
Honestly, if I'm his agent, I easily counter that he signed that contract after scoring 20 goals and 60 points where my client scored 30 goals and 80 points.

Look at the comparibles in that range. I wouldn't expect a sweet-heart deal if they're buying UFA years (which they should be).

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projected cap in 2014-15 i saw on tsn awhile back was 71 mil

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