Sedins didn't play to their ceilings as well for a wile. Henrik never had more than 42 points till he was 25 years old. It doesn't mean Vancouver "screwed them up".
That doesn't change anything. Doesn't mean anything. I'm not even sure you are debating something with me. Do you even know what it is you had an issue with in my statements or are you just continuing on with a conversation? Since I never said that they should be at their ceilings, yet, you really have no reason to whip out the Sedin's.
On a side note, why do people always feel compelled to break out a star to suit the purposes of whatever agenda they have?
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I said that Brassard for 2nd month scores 1 point per game which is actually what he does... almost... In February he had 11 points in 13 games. In March (with is the 2nd month) he's got 3 in 2. Maybe be I could use a better wording though.
How can you claim a month in which there has been two games? Secondly, what I illustrated is that a month or two here and there with a PPG pace isn't anything unusual with him. Talk to me again around the end of January again next year.
My big gripe right now is that how is he going to get any better sitting in the press box, game after game. I don't believe AJ in the line up is the reason the Jackets have been playing better. I'd go with Nash and better goaltending as the main reasons. Joey needs to play. It was the jackets decision to keep him on the big club so let him play. The season is over except for the possibility of blowing 30th place. Let him play. At least every other game. And, i think seeing him at center, even 4th line would be a positive. Might even help his psyche a bit.
That doesn't change anything. Doesn't mean anything. I'm not even sure you are debating something with me. Do you even know what it is you had an issue with in my statements or are you just continuing on with a conversation? Since I never said that they should be at their ceilings, yet, you really have no reason to whip out the Sedin's.
On a side note, why do people always feel compelled to break out a star to suit the purposes of whatever agenda they have?
I have no issues with your statements, but...
Speaking of ceilings. There's no way to know how high was that for Voracek or Brassard, we can only speculate. Our expectations and their ceilings are two different things. But looking at the development of the other guys who were drafted during the respective years Brassard and Voracek are doing pretty well. Mueller, Sheppard and Frolik were selected right after Brass and none of them has a better career so far. Gillies was a 16th pick the year Jake was drafted, and even he's getting his chances to establish himself as an NHL player. No one blames Boston management for drafting Hickey 4th overall and ruining him even though he hasn't played a single NHL game.
I brought up Sedins' career as an example of the possible scenario of Brass' development.
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How can you claim a month in which there has been two games? Secondly, what I illustrated is that a month or two here and there with a PPG pace isn't anything unusual with him. Talk to me again around the end of January again next year.
Again. Maybe I used wrong wording. In Russian some things sound differently. Like "We win Canada"(Yakupow) or "Shoot everybody"(Malkin). Brass is a point-per-game player for a month now. Without saying anything about his perspectives its clear that calling him a bust (its not you, but some other previous posters) is at least inaccurate at this point of his career.
We went from discussing that Brassard has not had 2 months of PPG pace to whatever it is you just posted. I think we should quit now, as I don't care about whether fans think he is a bust or not. I certainly don't care what those around him in the draft have done. If I don't care about those, I really really really don't care about the history of other random players.
I said talk to me again later. I mean it. I find little encouraging about this recent stretch of his. We've seen it before.
My big gripe right now is that how is he going to get any better sitting in the press box, game after game. I don't believe AJ in the line up is the reason the Jackets have been playing better. I'd go with Nash and better goaltending as the main reasons. Joey needs to play. It was the jackets decision to keep him on the big club so let him play. The season is over except for the possibility of blowing 30th place. Let him play. At least every other game. And, i think seeing him at center, even 4th line would be a positive. Might even help his psyche a bit.
Do you realize that he played 6 game in a row prior to Phoenix game?
Do you realize that he played 6 game in a row prior to Phoenix game?
Do you realize that he was scratched 5 of the 7 games prior to that ? I think what irks people is that we figured by trading vermette, and Pahlson we would see Johan get some experience at center, instead we have Aaron freaking Johnson getting the nod at the wing, when we are 11 points out of last place.
Do you realize that he was scratched 5 of the 7 games prior to that ? I think what irks people is that we figured by trading vermette, and Pahlson we would see Johan get some experience at center, instead we have Aaron freaking Johnson getting the nod at the wing, when we are 11 points out of last place.
Aaron Johnson on the 4th line is a good thing cause that means he doesn't play on defense anymore...
Why all of you think that playing time is critical for players development? I brought up Thornton's first NHL season. He'd played less than Johansen. On the other hand I reminded you about Zherdev and all the playing time he's got since day 1 in the NHL. Z was thinking that playing in the NHL is easy, he took everything for granted. Maybe that's what ruined his career eventually? If he was scratched for a single game in his 1st year you all would have complained about his development like you're complaining about RyJo's icetime now.
What was the point of keeping Filatov last year on the top-6 for 20+ games even though he couldn't be useful in any situation? As it was mentioned in this thread players have to deserve a spot even on the wing of the 4th line. It's still the NHL and not a development camp.
Watching games from the press-box also helps youngsters to understand how to play the game right way.
...instead we have Aaron freaking Johnson getting the nod at the wing, when we are 11 points out of last place.
This is my gripe - I don't attend practice, so I don't see what goes on there, and I cannot presume to tell a hockey lifer how to develop a top-rated prospect; but I can't tolerate seeing Aaron Johnson in the lineup at wing and Johansen sitting out. No explanation will suffice and that choice, alone, disqualifies Richards from retaining this job.
Aaron Johnson on the 4th line is a good thing cause that means he doesn't play on defense anymore...
While that is a good point, biz, but couldn't we just...oh, I don't know...not play him, at all?
I agree that Johansen need not play to learn and you are right that he's playing more than others who developed well, but I just can't stand seeing a lousy defenseman play ahead of our best forward prospect. Play Cody Bass and I'll live with it, but not this!
IMO the space is there on the roster and now it's up to Johansen to step up in practice and in games.
Yes his frequently being scratched is a bit alarming, but it's not completely unexpected. We knew coming into the season he'd be handled with the kiddie gloves. Really my worry isn't so much his playing time as it is potentially his linemates. If he spends an extended amount of time playing on the 4th line with guys like Gillies, then he's not going to learn how to build chemistry and be able to utilize your wingers.
As for Aaron Johnson, how about a little tin-foil hat conspiracy? He's Rick Nash's good friend.
While that is a good point, biz, but couldn't we just...oh, I don't know...not play him, at all?
I agree that Johansen need not play to learn and you are right that he's playing more than others who developed well, but I just can't stand seeing a lousy defenseman play ahead of our best forward prospect. Play Cody Bass and I'll live with it, but not this!
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As for Aaron Johnson, how about a little tin-foil hat conspiracy? He's Rick Nash's good friend.
He wasn't ready in October and he isn't ready now. His skating needs a lot of improvement as well as his overall conditioning. Can't blame the kid, he should have been sent back to juniors in the first place. Still wish they wouldn't have wasted a year on his contract but thems the breaks. Think he will come back better next year. Still have high hopes for him.
He wasn't ready in October and he isn't ready now. His skating needs a lot of improvement as well as his overall conditioning. Can't blame the kid, he should have been sent back to juniors in the first place. Still wish they wouldn't have wasted a year on his contract but thems the breaks. Think he will come back better next year. Still have high hopes for him.
He would have developed or reinforced bad habits. He's better off getting 40-50 games in the NHL.
That said, the AHL would have been best for him. It's a shame the NHL has that agreement with the CHL. Get rid of that and NHL player development as a whole would be better than it is.
He would have developed or reinforced bad habits. He's better off getting 40-50 games in the NHL.
That said, the AHL would have been best for him. It's a shame the NHL has that agreement with the CHL. Get rid of that and NHL player development as a whole would be better than it is.
Although it has some merit I was against this philosophy in October and haven't really changed my mind much. But we'll see if his experience this year will help him as much as a guy like Seguin or if he comes back as a little better version of RyJo which would be a waste.
The AHL would have been the path but was not an option. And I support the agreement with the CHL completely for under agers.
I dislike Johnson as much as the next guy, but it didn't hurt to have a 7th defenseman on the ice when Nikitin missed the 3rd period....
My point is that Johannsen should be playing instead of Johnson. It worked out last night, but in the whole scheme of things, Ryan should be logging a ton of minutes in these meaningless games to gain experience. The moves of this organEYEzation continue to baffle me
My point is that Johannsen should be playing instead of Johnson. It worked out last night, but in the whole scheme of things, Ryan should be logging a ton of minutes in these meaningless games to gain experience. The moves of this organEYEzation continue to baffle me
And Richards is auditioning for the permanent coaching job. What is good for the team is to play the kids. What is good for Richards is to play the vets that he knows and trusts.
THIS is why I was so pissed we went down the interim coach route yet again.
My point is that Johannsen should be playing instead of Johnson. It worked out last night, but in the whole scheme of things, Ryan should be logging a ton of minutes in these meaningless games to gain experience. The moves of this organEYEzation continue to baffle me
Ton of minutes?!!! In his current condition he can't play even 10 minutes a game without being a liability.
Gain experience? Yeah, being pushed around by strong men, misplay the puck, being behind the play most of the time is a great experience! Zherdev had really established himself as an NHL star this way.
Can anybody explain me WHY most of you think that playing a kid who is NOT ready for the NHL is a good thing for his development? I brought a bunch examples of the guys that were held back for a few years and became a stars. If that was not enough - here's another one. One of the biggest stars in this league Claude Giroux played less than 10 NHL games till the age of 21. Looks like nobody ruined his career.
Where is it coming from - play the kid no matter what?!!!
Ton of minutes?!!! In his current condition he can't play even 10 minutes a game without being a liability.
Gain experience? Yeah, being pushed around by strong men, misplay the puck, being behind the play most of the time is a great experience! Zherdev had really established himself as an NHL star this way.
Can anybody explain me WHY most of you think that playing a kid who is NOT ready for the NHL is a good thing for his development? I brought a bunch examples of the guys that were held back for a few years and became a stars. If that was not enough - here's another one. One of the biggest stars in this league Claude Giroux played less than 10 NHL games till the age of 21. Looks like nobody ruined his career.
Where is it coming from - play the kid no matter what?!!!
So if we play him we lose more games?
In other pro sports, kids develop at the major league level. It's called a youth movement. Look at the 95 Indians, they played a bunch of young players who developed together. It happens in other sports. Why not hockey? What do we have to lose? If he has talent, which he does, then turn him loose. If not, he should have been sent back to juniors. If there is nothing left for him to learn in juniors, then he should play in the NHL. It's called player development.
Zherdev and Johannsen are two different players. To compare the two is not fair to Ryan
