Decent offer, but I'm thinking Howson didnt like the fact that Sather was holding on to his best prospects (Kreider, Stepan).. & also not including one of DelZotto or McDonagh.
Imo Howson was thinking more along these lines:
Dubinsky
Kreider
McDonagh
NYR 1st
That would have been the steal of the century for the Jackets. Sather would have been stupid to move that much but good on Howson for asking so. Like I said earlier I think he ends up in LA at the draft with Bernier being one of the big pieces going back the other way
I will agree he never should have resigned in Columbus, but maybe he is sick of losing and inept management in Columbus?
To me this can be looked at two ways, a greedy player he should keep his mouth shut and collect his money or a guy who wants to win and realizes that may never happen in Columbus.
How Howson keeps his job is beyond me, one playoff series in 10 years is unacceptable. Columbus had a very solid core of fans when they started but they seem to be drifting away after years of losing, kind of like Islander fans
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I think that Nash believes(d) in loyalty, I think that Mngt went to him, said they were going to do this and that to improve the team, and he believed them, turns out that the moves didn`t work out, he`s now entering his prime and he doesn`t want to be a part of a "rebuild", if that`s even something you can call it when your team has made the playoffs how many times in your career?
I think that Nash has reached his boiling point, he`s tired of a losers mentality in Columbus and he has the fire to win, and it ain`t happening in Ohio.
That would have been the steal of the century for the Jackets. Sather would have been stupid to move that much but good on Howson for asking so. Like I said earlier I think he ends up in LA at the draft with Bernier being one of the big pieces going back the other way
I dont think Bernier will be the center piece of a trade for a player such as Rick Nash. Bernier is a borderline starter in the NHL, no way Howson trades Nash w/ Bernier as the main piece coming back.
I think Sather offered his 2nd tier prospects, & Dubinsky (who is extremely overrated imo). This offer (if accurate) is the equivlant of Boston offering Knight, Spooner, Kampfer, Kelly & a 1st.
Sather was attempting to land a 40 goal scorer about to enter his prime without giving up any of his top pieces (Stepan, Kreider, DelZotto, McDonagh etc..) Good on Howson for rejecting.
That's a damn fine offer, and looking at what Howson is now doing I have to think he'll actually get less when he finally does move him. How does coming out to the media and telling everyone that Nash wants out make any sense?
Not sure.
I think Nash wanting out may make the pot less sweet and there are some other free agents that teams will be seeking out this summer (unless their teams get them resigned). Nash may get lost in the other bidding wars.
Although I suspect for Nash the summer deal will probably involve more NHL players and fewer pure prospects. Problem with deadline deals tend to be buying teams not wanting to move any or too many roster players. With a summer deal teams can offer picks and roster players rather than half their prospect pool.
I dont think Bernier will be the center piece of a trade for a player such as Rick Nash. Bernier is a borderline starter in the NHL, no way Howson trades Nash w/ Bernier as the main piece coming back.
I think Sather offered his 2nd tier prospects, & Dubinsky (who is extremely overrated imo). This offer (if accurate) is the equivlant of Boston offering Knight, Spooner, Kampfer, Kelly & a 1st.
We will see I just have a feeling that's where he ends up and the Kings will have the cap space this summer as well
Something with Bernier, Cliffor, choice of Voynov or Martinez and a prospect or 2 with some draft picks IMO would get it done. Should be an interesting summer, I hope they get Nash so they can leave us Parise
We will see I just have a feeling that's where he ends up and the Kings will have the cap space this summer as well
Something with Bernier, Cliffor, choice of Voynov or Martinez and a prospect or 2 with some draft picks IMO would get it done. Should be an interesting summer, I hope they get Nash so they can leave us Parise
Signing in Boston would be a great career move for Parise
I really think people are underrating Nash a tad, yes his cap hit is high, but this kid can perform. He's been in arguably the worst run franchise in the NHL for his entire career. He has performed at the Olympics when paired with talented linemates. This kid is legit, he is a scoring threat every time he steps on the ice. He will not be traded imo to any team unless one or two of said teams top prospect(s) or roster players come back in return. Bernier, Clifford, Voynov are nice "adder pieces", they certainly shouldn't be viewed as main pieces of a trade for Nash.
I really feel Philly will land Nash. Couterier, JVR, Bobrovsky..
Howson did that to make Nash look bad in the summer when he makes a deal with a team that's not on his list and he doesn't want to go. He doesn't want a Heatley on his hands...Was pretty smart actually...
But won't he get just that? A Heatley? A guy that people know want out, essentially putting Howson's back against the wall to get something done before the season starts? The thing about making such a deal at the draft is that now the pressure will be on Howson, not on the other GM to make a move to bolster the team before 3pm comes and goes.
He's given away the upper hand in any dealings. Yes in terms of PR it may be a good thing but PR isn't going to help Columbus. Howson could save a bus full of orphans from a pack of rabid zombie pedophiles who happen to be on fire and Columbus would still struggle to fill an area or get out of the red because the team itself sucks.
Signing in Boston would be a great career move for Parise
I really think people are underrating Nash a tad, yes his cap hit is high, but this kid can perform. He's been in arguably the worst run franchise in the NHL for his entire career. He has performed at the Olympics when paired with talented linemates. This kid is legit, he is a scoring threat every time he steps on the ice. He will not be traded imo to any team unless one or two of said teams top prospect(s) or roster players come back in return. Bernier, Clifford, Voynov are nice "adder pieces", they certainly shouldn't be viewed as main pieces of a trade for Nash.
I really feel Philly will land Nash. Couterier, JVR, Bobrovsky..
L.A. cant touch that offer
I agree but at the same time the Flyers would be stupid to trade that much. If I'm them I move JVR but not Couturier
I think Nash is one of the most overrated players in the game but that's a crap offer. Dubinsky is an average 2nd line center (with room to grow, though), Erixon hasn't adjusted to North American game, and I can't say much on Miller or Thomas, but for it to be even near acceptable, I think they have to be top 30 prospects in all of the NHL
I agree but at the same time the Flyers would be stupid to trade that much. If I'm them I move JVR but not Couturier
JVR's value has dipped recently after his poor showing this season. The Flyers can *risk* adding Couterier to their offer because they have Brayden Schenn to fall back on. Thats what imo makes them a theat to land Nash, they have the great prospect depth.
Wow, thanks for posting this, I was pretty unaware of the amount of NESN video floating around. Chiarelli for some reason looks like he does all his business from the back of a dim, stylishly lit martini bar, drinking brightly-coloured elixirs. I don't know why, that's just where I see him settled in.
I really feel Philly will land Nash. Couterier, JVR, Bobrovsky..
And this is why Nash was always a trade best saved for summer. A team pushing for a playoff run isn't going to risk moving two roster players-at least not from the forward position without worrying about the pay off. But this kind of move can happen in summer with less pressure since they don't have to worry about depth for the playoff run.
I agree with you though that the Flyers seem to be pretty rich in prospects and in moveable prospects, productive pieces. I think some teams balk at his contract, but I don't see the Flyers being one of them.
I am still not sold on Parise leaving the Devils, but he is a player I would love to see the Bruins sign. He is speedy and dynamic. If Parise goes looking on the UFA market, I hope that the Bruins make a strong bid, but I am not convinced the Bruins are willing to cut the kind of deal he can possibly get.
I also suspect Suter goes looking on the market-and there will be a lot of teams lined up making him offers.
Funny if you read Larry Brooks he makes it seem like they offered Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin. Rangers tried to screw Columbus because they have their back to the wall. Just because you add more garbage it doesn't make the garage better. They refused to give up one real prospect and a good roster player.
Related, I think if you have a NMC/NTC and ask to be traded, your clause should be voided. I hate this **** where a player asks to be moved and still gets to say "oh but only here, here, or here".
Certainly a low ball offer. If this was the best offer they got for Nash it makes me wonder what we offered. I can imagine it will be an interesting off season.
Related, I think if you have a NMC/NTC and ask to be traded, your clause should be voided. I hate this **** where a player asks to be moved and still gets to say "oh but only here, here, or here".
I tend to agree. I actually prefer the limited clause where a player can have some say in where he goes, but doesn't totally hamstring the organization when it comes to making moves. However, I seriously doubt the players would approve of a contract nullification where players ask for a trade when they have a NMC, but I wish the league and GMs would go the direction of the limited trade clause over a pure no movement.
