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02-28-2012, 09:45 AM
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We should be THANKING Rick Nash for bringing the "Howson Must Go" movement to a head.

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I disagree - the environment is fine, it's the players that are the problem. They quit on every coach, they routinely don't show up for games and suffer huge embarrassing losses, they don't even finish periods and find a way to give up a goal with 30 seconds left because they're too busy thinking about their tee times.

Get these overpriced, complacent vets out of here, and the young guys we have like Cam and Johan and Moore who haven't been tainted by 4 years of losing take over the room and bring some excitetment and passion
Then we will have the same situation in a few years.... The players are only a symptom. You don't have this many different players for this long in a franchises history decide to stop playing for this long... Management allows this problem to permeate. They are the true problems. You rebuild with our current crop of young guys as is and expect failure because the message to them hasn't changed...

For gawd sakes, its not "losing" its a losers mentality and a lack of experience and fortitude in the front office that is the problem.....

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I hope that this is a better link: http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/P...02-27-6-pm.mp3

MacLean speaks highly of Columbus and the fan base. As he has been faulted by many, it is still nice to hear him speak of the fans here
Thanks, found it. That was a good piece.

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I disagree - the environment is fine, it's the players that are the problem.
Dude, you really didn't disagree with me. Players are part of the environment.

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Standing with their captain puts them in opposition of their management.

What will ownership do?

The offseason gets more interesting.

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02-28-2012, 09:50 AM
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Standing with their captain puts them in opposition of their management.

What will ownership do?

The offseason gets more interesting.
Hmmm...fans+players>management.

Someone check my math.

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02-28-2012, 09:51 AM
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Standing with their captain puts them in opposition of their management.

What will ownership do?

The offseason gets more interesting.
Inmates running the asylum?

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Hmmm...fans+players>management.

Someone check my math.
Math is accurate. However, ownership is the trump card.


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Inmates running the asylum?
Yes, Jeff. LOL It's a revolt! Kinda like when the slaves wanted their freedom.

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If I had my way, players and management would both be gone, sans a few players like Johnson.

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Standing with their captain...

Would need to see the whole quote/question to understand the context. But I surely hope it is what I want it to be lol.

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Then we will have the same situation in a few years.... The players are only a symptom. You don't have this many different players for this long in a franchises history decide to stop playing for this long... Management allows this problem to permeate. They are the true problems. You rebuild with our current crop of young guys as is and expect failure because the message to them hasn't changed...

For gawd sakes, its not "losing" its a losers mentality that is the problem.....
These are the same played that made the playoffs. These are the same player who show, once in awhile, that when they give it their all they can play with good teams. That just rarely happens. Nash, RJ, Vermette, Tyutin, even Brassard to a degree - they all played well enough to earn extensions, and then their play all dropped significantly after they earned their fat paydays. That just doesn't sit well with me.

Howson was trying to build around and reward the vets from the playoff team, but those guys quit on the coach that lead them there and have played as well or as hard since. You're right, management certainly deserves major blame I don't mean to absolve them, but I also feel like the player screwed management by playing well enough to get extensions but then sitting back and not playing as hard and bringing the effort every night once they got their money

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Yes, Jeff. LOL It's a revolt! Kinda like when the slaves wanted their freedom.
They did say yesterday on the FAN that another player had also asked out, but it wasn't elaborated on....

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Hmmm...fans+players>management.

Someone check my math.

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02-28-2012, 09:56 AM
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Thanks

Well, you gotta look at the whole picture though. Nash didn't just wake up and decide he really hates Columbus or his G/F wants brighter lights, bigger city. He wanted a change in management. They said no. Ok, so move me cause I can't stand it. Then he gives them a list of 5-6 teams he feels are able to compete for the Cup. I think that's a pretty reasonable number...it's true. Take away all the hype and you've got maybe 8 tops that are built to make a run not just now but in the future.

The one thing I wanted to point out was that when we focus on that number (5-6) we are totally ignoring the fact that Howson set the price. He was the one who set the price high and he isn't apologizing nor is he going to change it.
While I think I understand your side, this will be a thing that we'll have to agree to disagree on. Regardless if either of us is right, as I've said earlier in this thread, its still us fans who are taking the blunt of this.

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Well it sure looks like the gloves are off now. So much for Nash not being a fighter....

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Hmmm...fans+players>management.

Someone check my math.
True but ownership is an irrational number so the answer to the problem is unknown.

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These are the same played that made the playoffs. These are the same player who show, once in awhile, that when they give it their all they can play with good teams. That just rarely happens. Nash, RJ, Vermette, Tyutin, even Brassard to a degree - they all played well enough to earn extensions, and then their play all dropped significantly after they earned their fat paydays. That just doesn't sit well with me.

Howson was trying to build around and reward the vets from the playoff team, but those guys quit on the coach that lead them there and have played as well or as hard since. You're right, management certainly deserves major blame I don't mean to absolve them, but I also feel like the player screwed management by playing well enough to get extensions but then sitting back and not playing as hard and bringing the effort every night once they got their money
There's an old saying... "You can't fire the players"

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If I had my way, players and management would both be gone, sans a few players like Johnson.
This is my sentiments exactly. I am at a point where I would take a team full of Dorsett's. Sure, they would still lose a heck of a lot of games, but at least I would know they cared and were putting in 100% effort.

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02-28-2012, 09:59 AM
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It's amazing to me that when we bring in a guy like Letestu, or Nikitin, or Gillies, who weren't given shots to play where they were at they come here and are so excited to play, even if they aren't the most talented guys, you can see how hard they play. Often, I feel like these three guys are playing harder and giving more effort than then guys who have been paid and who have been here for years

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While I think I understand your side, this will be a thing that we'll have to agree to disagree on. Regardless if either of us is right, as I've said earlier in this thread, its still us fans who are taking the blunt of this.
Yeah, we're cool to disagree.

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There's an old saying... "You can't fire the players"
Yes can. Out with the old (RJ, Nash, Vermette, Tyutin, Pahlsson, Mason) and in with the new (Johnson, Wiz, Cam, Calvert, johan, Moore, Savard, NAIL)

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02-28-2012, 10:04 AM
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This summer will decide whether i waste anymore time on this team. Fortunately, being almost 50, i was a hockey fan loooong before there was any thought of the CBJ. I dont even enjoy watching hockey anymore because of how poorly this team has be handled. It is frustrating beyond comprehension. NOW THIS, really. Priest and Howson have been labeled incompetent by the whole hockey universe and yet they are still here. If JPM wants to look like a fool for letting these 2 Bozo continue to run this franchise into the ground....I will not watch. If they are still here during the off season I'm done. Because everyone knows it will not get any better.

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Has their been any proof of that charge made by 97.1 offered since yesterday?

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02-28-2012, 10:08 AM
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Hmmm...fans+players>management.

Someone check my math.
Media too it seems.
I didn't think Columbus could look even more like a joke on the national hockey stage, but they certainly found away.

Ownership clearly had sided with management thus far. But in the aftermath of yesterday's presser, fan reaction and potential player reaction certainly feels like it's going to make it really hard on the owners if they want to stay that course.

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