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Wow. You can tell the players side with Nash here. Howson threw him under the bus and instead of going forward just continued to reverse, and go forward continuously running over Nash in the process.
By the way, regardless of what Howson said yesterday, CBJ fans should be thrilled that they didn't move Nash for that NYR package. The Nashville package, on the other hand, if that was real, not sure they should have turned it down, divisional opponent or not.
Well we don't know if Nashville even offered anything. I myself think it was real and a legit offer from Poile. But either Nash didn't want to move to Nashville or Howson didn't want to trade within their division. Maybe he thought Sather would cave in and offer Stepan?
I heard from alot of people etc that Howson first wanted: Stepan/Del Zotto/McDonagh + Kreider+1st for Nash. Then he came back a few days later and wanted Stepan + Del Zotto/McDonagh + Kreider + 1st for Nash.
So it looks like he was trying to use Nashville's offer as leverage towards Rangers in order to get them to offer more. But Howson went way too far and ask for 2 young core players from Rangers. In the beginning he just wanted one and Sather said no. Then he came back and asked for 2 young core players + their best prospect and a 1st rounder.
This makes no sense though. Why trade one high end prime roster player to acquire another? Only works if you both have malcontents or dudes asking for trades. How often does that happen anymore?
I'm not saying go try to trade him for Malkin, but Dubinsky being the center piece of a trade coming back for Nash probably isn't going to work out. It appears that the CBJ are looking to redo their defense and goaltending, sending a bunch of D prospects several years away from being productive [which cbj already has their fair share of] and one middling NHL winger doesn't really address the team's needs.
Sorry, I haven't read the 5 or so threads between when this fiasco started and now. Yes, that's what they said and they were shooting down all possibility of Nash requesting it based on those reports. They acted like it removed all possibility of it being Nash's choice and anyone who suggested otherwise was ridiculed.
Cockroaches can supposedly survive nuclear war, I guess crickets can live through napalm.
Congratulations on winning a coin toss. Don't injure your shoulder patting your self on the back all day.
Player value is at a premium on deadline day. Picks are never worth more than on draft day. Add to that the fact that Howson publicly outted Nash's trade request and basically told the entire world that he MUST trade Nash.
Basically, Howson is a complete idiot and hopefully he's fired before he has a chance to trade Nash.
Sorry, I haven't read the 5 or so threads between when this fiasco started and now. Yes, that's what they said and they were shooting down all possibility of Nash requesting it based on those reports. They acted like it removed all possibility of it being Nash's choice and anyone who suggested otherwise was ridiculed.
Cockroaches can supposedly survive nuclear war, I guess crickets can live through napalm.
No some posters and you were one of them, insisted you knew Nash had requested a trade. Some posters, and I was one of them posted direct quotes from Nash saying he loves Columbus and loves being a Blue Jacket and asked you to provide and links saying otherwise; and from you....crickets until after Howson's statement.
From what the rumors have been faring, it seems like CBJ wants the best young NHL roster player on your team + 2nd/3rd line roster player + blue chip prospect + 1st
For San Jose he wanted Couture
For NYR he asked for MDZ or MCD + Stephan
For TOR he wanted Gardiner
Pretty sure if Vancouver made a run, as rumored, then he probably asked for Hodgson or Edler as center piece
Howson is going to wish he took the Ranger deal. Nash is not changing his list and if Howson still refuses to deal him cause he's not getting what he wants, Nash will just refuse to play. Howson is such an idiot. All he had to say was they'll look at all their options in the summer.
No some posters and you were one of them, insisted you knew Nash had requested a trade. Some posters, and I was one of them posted direct quotes from Nash saying he loves Columbus and loves being a Blue Jacket and asked you to provide and links saying otherwise; and from you....crickets until after Howson's statement.
Try again. Go back and find where I said I "knew" he did. Merely relayed the "rumor" that I had heard from Hradek(?) on XM. And I got jumped on by Columbus fans for it. Not to mention it was one small tidbit in my greater overall point about the fiasco, which was conveniently ignored.
I did provide a link where Lebrun speculated the same thing. But it was ESPN so ... no sense sticking around when cognitive dissonance rules the day.
Player value is at a premium on deadline day. Picks are never worth more than on draft day. Add to that the fact that Howson publicly outted Nash's trade request and basically told the entire world that he MUST trade Nash.
Basically, Howson is a complete idiot and hopefully he's fired before he has a chance to trade Nash.
I agree Howson is a terrible GM, but I don't agree the highest value is at the trade deadline. I believe it's in the off-season, likely around the draft.
I also hope he is fired, but I've been hoping that since the summer of 2009. I think he should have kept his mouth shut about Nash's request, but I think he did the right thing vis a vis the Rangers offer. There just wasn't enough substance to the offer. I can't blame Sather for refusing to trade McD or MDZ and I applaud Howson for not taking what was offered.
I still hope the Jackets replace both Howson and the team president Mike Priest.
Not going to comment on value but I believe there's a really tough situation brewing in Columbus. Going to be an interesting off-season for them for sure
I'm thinking Howson informed of Nash's request a bit out of spite after it was well published that Rick Nash wasn't going to expand his list of team destinations.
This likely handcuffed the package and quality of players the Columbus Blue Jackets could acquire for such an elite player. Especially if its Toronto/NYR/SJ race as opposed to 29 other teams. Wouldn't shock me if the offer was from that of Nashville, either.
I agree Howson is a terrible GM, but I don't agree the highest value is at the trade deadline. I believe it's in the off-season, likely around the draft.
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Why is that?
The new team would get Nash for a 1/3 less of a season, and draft picks are worth far more of draft day.
Howson was unlikely to get the package he wanted to the first time around, now there is no way. My guess is that final trade will be something like Nash for a young proven guy with potential to grow and maybe a 1st. i.e. MDZ, Couture, or Schneider
Howson is going to have to accept lower value and hope that the fact he is no longer asking teams to gut their system will allow him to get one of these types of guys. Honestly (and this may be a beaten fan talking) I think that Howson will get something like a pair of blue chip prospects and that is it. This is going to end up being the worst trade value for a star since Heatly (and I said that the Nash situation would never get that bad )
Feel bad for Nash. As a Leaf fan it reminds me a bit of the Sundin fiasco. He's been loyal to the organization ever since he arrived and they have provided him with little to no supporting cast.
Can't believe ownership hasn't canned Howson yet. IMO, he should have moved Nash at the deadline..a lot of people are saying wait til the draft when many other teams will be after him.. if Nash doesn't include more teams on the list it won't matter how many other teams are after him. Furthermore, after Howson basically threw Nash under the bus why would he do him a favour and open up to more teams?
Good luck trying to attract free agents to the Jackets after this mess. Why would any player have a desire to sign with Columbus now?
Feel bad for Nash. As a Leaf fan it reminds me a bit of the Sundin fiasco. He's been loyal to the organization ever since he arrived and they have provided him with little to no supporting cast.
Some of the Leafs teams Sundin played on were pretty darn good, though. They didn't win a cup, but they did some decent damage in the playoffs for 4 or 5 years.
Good luck trying to attract free agents to the Jackets after this mess. Why would any player have a desire to sign with Columbus now?
I’ve been combing the upcoming UFA list for a 2nd-line center and top four defenceman that won’t cost me Ville Leino or James Wisniewski money. Any suggestions?
Free agency is becoming less and less viable with each passing year as a means to building your roster.
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Feel bad for Nash. As a Leaf fan it reminds me a bit of the Sundin fiasco. He's been loyal to the organization ever since he arrived and they have provided him with little to no supporting cast.
While the Leafs were dismantling the roster one veteran at a time, I wondered who was going to replace them? You still need viable replacements or face a rebuild that will take years. Something Calgary better keep in mind. Add youngsters whenever you can, but be mindful of blowing up everything at once.
Columbus still has to keep their fans interested. The NHL requires them to spend a minimum of $48.3 million on their payroll so they can’t do a full scale rebuild like teams could do in the past. They need as much NHL-proven value as possible in return for Nash.
The Rangers offered one NHL asset while Columbus asked for three. The happy medium is two NHL assets plus futures, but that 2nd NHLer was not going to be forthcoming at this time. That would’ve been a huge gamble to mess with the mix of a tight dressing room that sits atop the Eastern Conference, even ahead of the Bruins. Maybe in the summer……
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