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Any interest in picking up his rights before free agency? Something like a low pick that gets conditionally upgraded to a 2nd or 3rd if he signs with the Ducks? Assuming he signs somewhere in the neighborhood of 4m, Visnovsky, Beauchemin, Lydman, Sbisa, Fowler, and Stuart would be a rather effective and bargain priced D group for next season.
Hasn't he made it clear that he wants to move to Cali to be back with his family? if that's the case I don't see why the Ducks would offer a pick for him when they're already one of the front runners.
Hasn't he made it clear that he wants to move to Cali to be back with his family? if that's the case I don't see why the Ducks would offer a pick for him when they're already one of the front runners.
Hasn't he made it clear that he wants to move to Cali to be back with his family? if that's the case I don't see why the Ducks would offer a pick for him when they're already one of the front runners.
The knowledge that he wants to come to Cali is the exact reason they offer a pick. They know if they have first dibs and make a decent offer he's theirs... Simultaneously keeping a reliable physical defender away from division rivals. Low risk, high reward.
The knowledge that he wants to come to Cali is the exact reason they offer a pick. They know if they have first dibs and make a decent offer he's theirs... Simultaneously keeping a reliable physical defender away from division rivals. Low risk, high reward.
If Stuey knows the Sharks are going to offer him a deal, the Ducks don't do this. No point since they know he'd wait until July 1st.
Besides, why wouldn't the Wings offer this to the Sharks? Getting anything at that point is better than nothing.
Unless the Ducks ship out someone at the draft (there could be a chance with Visnovsky, and to a smaller degree Lydman), I don't even see them offering a deal to Stuart, because it could only be a relatively disrespectful one.
The knowledge that he wants to come to Cali is the exact reason they offer a pick. They know if they have first dibs and make a decent offer he's theirs... Simultaneously keeping a reliable physical defender away from division rivals. Low risk, high reward.
there aren't that many teams in Cali and a 2nd round pick is a high price for a guy like Stuart.
The knowledge that he wants to come to Cali is the exact reason they offer a pick. They know if they have first dibs and make a decent offer he's theirs... Simultaneously keeping a reliable physical defender away from division rivals. Low risk, high reward.
So you expect a team to give up more for Stuart's early negotiating rights that pretty much any other UFA ever? Especially when there is a big motivating factor that limits the "eligible" teams to 2-3? Really doubt that happens, but that's just IMO.
What do folks think Stuart would get on the open market if he chose to go to any team or re-upped with the Wings?
I think if Stuart signs for 3-4 years he would get at least $4 million. If the teams in Cali know he is going there and won't re-sign with the Wings, I think they may try and low ball him for around $3 million. He may stay with the Wings depending on how the playoffs go since they wuld be willing to give him the same amount of money he makes now.
My guess at what the Sharks would offer him (if DW wants Stuart) is 3 yrs / $3.25 AAV with an NMC. This will be an interesting one come offseason - always interesting when a rival can take another rival's top players.
So you expect a team to give up more for Stuart's early negotiating rights that pretty much any other UFA ever? Especially when there is a big motivating factor that limits the "eligible" teams to 2-3? Really doubt that happens, but that's just IMO.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how a 6th or 7th conditionally upgraded to a 3rd if he signs would be the biggest negotiating rights return ever.
I also don't see where a 6th or 7th is big news for negotiating rights. And I would certainly pay a 3rd rounder to get (or rather keep) him on the Wings.
You won't get a 3rd for Brad Stuart. At that point, as Detroit who knows he will be moving, you take the 6th or 7th and love it. Otherwise he just walks anyway.
You won't get a 3rd for Brad Stuart. At that point, as Detroit who knows he will be moving, you take the 6th or 7th and love it. Otherwise he just walks anyway.
In recent memory, rights to Hamhuis went for an unconditional 3rd and there have been numerous off season trades of similar value in the past couple of years. 6 or 7 for the rights upgraded to 3 on signing seems very fair value in comparison to the historical record of ufa rights trades.
In recent memory, rights to Hamhuis went for an unconditional 3rd and there have been numerous off season trades of similar value in the past couple of years. 6 or 7 for the rights upgraded to 3 on signing seems very fair value in comparison to the historical record of ufa rights trades.
Stuart isn't comparable to Hamhuis. Hamhuis was 27 as a UFA and one of the top dmen. Stuart is a class below since he'll be 32 this offseason. Also, teams may not dish out those picks since they haven't panned out well aside for the Sabres picking up Ehrhoff.
In any case, Stuart also differs from Hamhuis since he's gone on record saying he wants to be back in California so that limits the suitors. I don't think Hamhuis went on record saying he wanted to go back home to BC.
In recent memory, rights to Hamhuis went for an unconditional 3rd and there have been numerous off season trades of similar value in the past couple of years. 6 or 7 for the rights upgraded to 3 on signing seems very fair value in comparison to the historical record of ufa rights trades.
Like others have said, LA probably isn't going to be interested since they just re-signed Willie Mitchell and look set on defense.
So if Stuart is set on coming back to CA, that leaves only SJ and Anaheim as destinations. I think either team would rather take the 50-50 chance than give up as much as a 3rd round draft pick.
Stuart isn't comparable to Hamhuis. Hamhuis was 27 as a UFA and one of the top dmen. Stuart is a class below since he'll be 32 this offseason. Also, teams may not dish out those picks since they haven't panned out well aside for the Sabres picking up Ehrhoff.
In any case, Stuart also differs from Hamhuis since he's gone on record saying he wants to be back in California so that limits the suitors. I don't think Hamhuis went on record saying he wanted to go back home to BC.
That is why in this particular case I think a conditional deal for the Ducks makes sense. Stuart is worth more than an unconditional 6th or 7th based on previous trades; I'd put his unconditional value at 4th or 5th assuming a reasonable time frame before ufa day.
That's why this works for the Ducks. You get a good shot at him since you know he wants to come to Cali for roughly the same price the rights to Montador went for. If he signs with you, you've essentially just got Brad Stuart locked up several years for a 3rd (remember, that Hamhuis pick was unconditional and the team that paid didn't even get him).
Not only do the Ducks get him, but they keep an already strong division rival from having a combo of Murray and Stuart (ouch).
