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02-29-2012, 12:34 PM
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Tambellni sold high on Gilbert and bought low on Schultz. There is no way he could have gotten this kind of value in either of the last 2 seasons for Tom. Fans here are willing to give certain players 5 years to prove that they belong and will develop. But are also ready to write a guy off before he has even played a game.

The Oilers biggest need at the deadline was to acquire players who help keep the puck out of our own net. Tambellini did that.
Agree with all of this. Gilbert will put up more points, but from what I've heard from Wild fans, all of which who have seen Schultz play more than we have, we're getting a great stay at home dman. We need that right now.

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Agree with all of this. Gilbert will put up more points, but from what I've heard from Wild fans, all of which who have seen Schultz play more than we have, we're getting a great stay at home dman. We need that right now.
No we don't, we need the exact opposite but management has there heads up there collective *****.

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... but Petry IMO will take his place and do better.

Based on what and starting from when?

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Gilbert looked like the Tommy of old after coming back from injury. I think getting injured went to his head as he now seems to shy away from contact like he always did in previous seasons.
He seemed fine last night, laid out a few nice hits.

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My feelings on this deal....

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No we don't, we need the exact opposite but management has there heads up there collective *****.
I think it could be argued we need both. But it's a lot easier to get a stay at home for a guy like Gilbert than a good puck moving defenseman. Gilbert is neither of those, and at least we can scratch one off the list of needs.

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Derek Zona put up a piece last summer suggesting we go after Nick Schulz precisely because he was an elite shut-down defenceman. David Staples recent review of Goals against while Schulz was on the ice seems to confirm that and he has played over 200 more minutes at even strength than Gilbert this season.

It's changing the makeup of our defence and I think we need that. I havent been a Gilbert hater. I think he's performed admirably given what he's had to work with here but I think I like our blueline better with Schulz rather than Gilbert.

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So NHL.com is not doing their homework, and are "just coming to their own conclusions"?
It was just a quick stupid response that I made before properly considering it. A silly statement, a mistake. Sometimes when I'm posting too much theres a careless statement. I edited it.

Actually I prefer to do my own digging. Its a habit I have in politics, reading, research, and that I guess I also apply here. I should make it easier on myself and just read the readers digest versions. I like drawing info from several independent sources. Kind of a habit.


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No we don't, we need the exact opposite but management has there heads up there collective *****.
keeping the puck out of your own zone and turning it over less often helps keep the puck in the other teams zone more. Leading to more opportunities to score. true story.

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He seemed fine last night, laid out a few nice hits.
Yep and collected his usual minus 1.

I recall one season when Tom Gilbert was at plus 7 or so half way through the season. Then in a matter of two weeks he was a minus 7. When it rains it pours in Tom's world, unless of course he just got a great deal on some new shoes.

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Derek Zona put up a piece last summer suggesting we go after Nick Schulz precisely because he was an elite shut-down defenceman. David Staples recent review of Goals against while Schulz was on the ice seems to confirm that and he has played over 200 more minutes at even strength than Gilbert this season.

It's changing the makeup of our defence and I think we need that. I havent been a Gilbert hater. I think he's performed admirably given what he's had to work with here but I think I like our blueline better with Schulz rather than Gilbert.
That is a big point. I think this has more to do with the blueline as a whole unit. This trade will help create more defined roles for the players and allow guys to do the things they excel at.

Remeber a few months ago Renney stated that he needed more puck rushing and jumping in from his blueliners. The next game Petry really took that and ran with it. Look for that development to continue.

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keeping the puck out of your own zone and turning it over less often helps keep the puck in the other teams zone more. Leading to more opportunities to score. true story.
Being able to pass the puck past your own blueline and hit a forward in full stride leads to more scoring due to a fast transition game. The kind of game Edmonton used to be known for... Chipping the puck off the glass and out to center ice just helps relieve the offensive pressure for a few seconds.

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The Oilers biggest need at the deadline was to acquire players who help keep the puck out of our own net. Tambellini did that.
I've always been a fan of keeping the puck out of your net by keeping it 200 feet the other way.

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keeping the puck out of your own zone and turning it over less often helps keep the puck in the other teams zone more. Leading to more opportunities to score. true story.
So why'd they get a d-zone specialist?

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Yep and collected his usual minus 1.

I recall one season when Tom Gilbert was at plus 7 or so half way through the season. Then in a matter of two weeks he was a minus 7. When it rains it pours in Tom's world, unless of course he just got a great deal on some new shoes.
He was their best d man from the 2nd period on. I maintain Oiler fans will hate this trade by this time next year,

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Too...much...logic...
Except that Schultz was bleeding more goals than Tom this year. For instance in similar minutes played Schultz gave up 19 pk GA. Gilbert gave up 12.

It would be nice if the statements like "better shutdown d" fit. I would actually like that.

But unfortunately the numbers say something else. Gilbert was a more physical player, and better pK player this year. For some reasn with these improvements in his game we trade him for somebody struggling and declining.

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Being able to pass the puck past your own blueline and hit a forward in full stride leads to more scoring due to a fast transition game. The kind of game Edmonton used to be known for... Chipping the puck off the glass and out to center ice just helps relieve the offensive pressure for a few seconds.
You're acting like Gilbert was a magician when it came to making those tape to tape passes. We both know that isn't true in the slightest.

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That is a big point. I think this has more to do with the blueline as a whole unit. This trade will help create more defined roles for the players and allow guys to do the things they excel at.

Remeber a few months ago Renney stated that he needed more puck rushing and jumping in from his blueliners. The next game Petry really took that and ran with it. Look for that development to continue.
The defined-roles element is i think a big point to this trade. Schultz and smid will do the heavy lifting (with a cameo appearance by whitney and sutton here and there) and Petry, potter and Whitney will be leaned on to keep the puck moving (with barker hopefully not tripping over his own laces when he's called upon to do so as well).

we won't know if, as a unit, they'll work better with schultz than with gilbert until some games are played and pairings solidified.

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Being able to pass the puck past your own blueline and hit a forward in full stride leads to more scoring due to a fast transition game. The kind of game Edmonton used to be known for... Chipping the puck off the glass and out to center ice just helps relieve the offensive pressure for a few seconds.
which is why...presumably...he's being paired with someone who does have at least some history as PMD (whitney tonight).

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Being able to pass the puck past your own blueline and hit a forward in full stride leads to more scoring due to a fast transition game. The kind of game Edmonton used to be known for... Chipping the puck off the glass and out to center ice just helps relieve the offensive pressure for a few seconds.
that has nothing to do with my comment. You seem to think that just because a player doesnt jump into the play and take risks offensively that he is incapable of moving the puck out of his own zone. As pointed out earlier Gilbert had way more turnovers than Schultz in the past. That would leave me to believe that he is better at transitioning the play out of his own zone.

You are acting as if we just traded an elite puckmover for Steve Staios.

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I think it could be argued we need both. But it's a lot easier to get a stay at home for a guy like Gilbert than a good puck moving defenseman. Gilbert is neither of those, and at least we can scratch one off the list of needs.
I look at it as we lost a piece that we could have used on an upgrade. I mean if your trading for Seabrook or Hanzal the drop down to Gilbert would hurt but not so much that it couldn't have been made up by another player in the deal. If that makes sense?

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Except that Schultz was bleeding more goals than Tom this year. For instance in similar minutes played Schultz gave up 19 pk GA. Gilbert gave up 12.

It would be nice if the statements like "better shutdown d" fit. I would actually like that.

But unfortunately the numbers say something else. Gilbert was a more physical player, and better pK player this year. For some reasn with these improvements in his game we trade him for somebody struggling and declining.
I can accept the use of struggling but declining? There isn't really any proof to make that a fact.

If so then Gilbert's "improvements" this year can be chalked up to it being a one-time deal and him playing over his head.

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He was their best d man from the 2nd period on. I maintain Oiler fans will hate this trade by this time next year,
By then we'll have another sexy draft pick to ease the pain.

The question being is how many top picks do we need to start climbing out of the basement and when will this ever occur.

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Except that Schultz was bleeding more goals than Tom this year. For instance in similar minutes played Schultz gave up 19 pk GA. Gilbert gave up 12.

It would be nice if the statements like "better shutdown d" fit. I would actually like that.

But unfortunately the numbers say something else. Gilbert was a more physical player, and better pK player this year. For some reasn with these improvements in his game we trade him for somebody struggling and declining.
Gilbert wasn't improving. 45, 31, 26, 17 so far this year. He's had one good year since his contract and all of a sudden he's really good? You wonder if petry can keep up but not Gilbert?

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He was their best d man from the 2nd period on. I maintain Oiler fans will hate this trade by this time next year,
Oh man did we get hosed in that deal. We just traded them a number 1 d-man.

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I can accept the use of struggling but declining? There isn't really any proof to make that a fact.

If so then Gilbert's "improvements" this year can be chalked up to it being a one-time deal and him playing over his head.
Gilberts had a lot of good years on this club. Read his bio

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