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[VAN/BUF] VAN deals Cody Hodgson & Alex Sulzer to BUF for Zack Kassian & M-A Gragnani
Weren't Canuck fans touting Hodgson as the best prospect in hockey not to long ago? seems like they sold low
I think a lot of Canucks fans were excited that they finally had a first round prospect that could amount to anything. Take a look at the Canucks' first round draft history and that alone will tell you why they were excited.
Hodgson is a good young player, but personally I don't see him ever being a true #1 centre. I think he'll pan out to be a solid #2. I'd like to say he'll be a slower Brendan Morrison with a better shot.... but Hodgson would have to improve his defense significantly. Hodgson also loses far to many puck battles.
I do like the kid as a player though. He's top 6 ready. He just really needs to work on his speed and his defense.
It sounds more and more like Cody wanted out. He's always been such a good, solid character guy so this kind of shocks me, but whatever. The only reason he wanted out was ice time, and he knew damn well it would be hard to come by for quite some time in Vancouver. So he complained until he was moved, period.
It sounds more and more like Cody wanted out. He's always been such a good, solid character guy so this kind of shocks me, but whatever. The only reason he wanted out was ice time, and he knew damn well it would be hard to come by for quite some time in Vancouver. So he complained until he was moved, period.
Wrong it was his agent and his dad that are ruining him, Cody should man up and fire both of them.
It sounds more and more like Cody wanted out. He's always been such a good, solid character guy so this kind of shocks me, but whatever. The only reason he wanted out was ice time, and he knew damn well it would be hard to come by for quite some time in Vancouver. So he complained until he was moved, period.
After reading the garvage spewed by rich winter i am thinking good riddance more and more
Rich winter is the devil behind this . What a piece of work that guy is. Exposed by his tweets yesterday and gillis telling comments . Along with all the rumblings from people close to the team ... His dad and winter are behind his departure .
Rich winter is the devil behind this . What a piece of work that guy is. Exposed by his tweets yesterday and gillis telling comments . Along with all the rumblings from people close to the team ... His dad and winter are behind his departure .
Yeah. Given his reported reaction from teammates I don't think Cody wanted to leave, but Winter obviously did. If Cody is getting top 6 minutes it means more money for him come contract time. That seems to be his main goal. It seems like Winter was orchestrating an untenable position for Cody and Gillis which led to Gillis finally pulling the plug on the relationship.
The trade actually does make sense, but I get the feeling Gillis just wanted out of this situation. Hopefully Cody dumps Winter soon for the sake of Sabres management and fans.
Winter's decision to tweet about the trade has cost Cody a lot of fans.
Winter works for Cody. He is supposed to represent his best interests. If Im Cody Hodgson, Im getting on the phone and asking Winter to shut up immediately.
Call me petty, but I have gone from being sad to see him go, to now saying "good riddance you selfish POS."
Lets hope the Sabres management and his new teammates take the time to find out what Cody Hodgson's goals are, and then adjust their own to make sure his needs are taken care of first and foremost.
It would be a shame if they were to have some silly goal of trying to win a Stanley Cup at the expense of Cody's stats.
Yeah. Given his reported reaction from teammates I don't think Cody wanted to leave, but Winter obviously did. If Cody is getting top 6 minutes it means more money for him come contract time. That seems to be his main goal. It seems like Winter was orchestrating an untenable position for Cody and Gillis which led to Gillis finally pulling the plug on the relationship.
The trade actually does make sense, but I get the feeling Gillis just wanted out of this situation. Hopefully Cody dumps Winter soon for the sake of Sabres management and fans.
Ya this Winter seems like abit of a headcase, anyother key players he manages?
Winter's decision to tweet about the trade has cost Cody a lot of fans.
Winter works for Cody. He is supposed to represent his best interests. If Im Cody Hodgson, Im getting on the phone and asking Winter to shut up immediately.
Call me petty, but I have gone from being sad to see him go, to now saying "good riddance you selfish POS."
Lets hope the Sabres management and his new teammates take the time to find out what Cody Hodgson's goals are, and then adjust their own to make sure his needs are taken care of first and foremost.
It would be a shame if they were to have some silly goal of trying to win a Stanley Cup at the expense of Cody's stats.
Honestly, I'm in the same boat. Who does Cody think he is complaining to management about ice time? Is he above all of the other skaters on the team? What about Ballard and Schneider especially? Does he think each of them are not capable of more? To paraphrase Malhotra, on a team like this you just be happy to be part of it and you take whatever role you're given.
As of right now, I'm not sorry to see him go at all. I realize that it was likely his agent and Dads doing to a major extent, but if Cody didn't like it he should have stood up and said something. It's his life, if he were truely happy here in Vancouver I'm sure he would have told them that. Obviously he wasn't.
Honestly, I'm in the same boat. Who does Cody think he is complaining to management about ice time? Is he above all of the other skaters on the team? What about Ballard and Schneider especially? Does he think each of them are not capable of more? To paraphrase Malhotra, on a team like this you just be happy to be part of it and you take whatever role you're given.
As of right now, I'm not sorry to see him go at all. I realize that it was likely his agent and Dads doing to a major extent, but if Cody didn't like it he should have stood up and said something. It's his life, if he were truely happy here in Vancouver I'm sure he would have told them that. Obviously he wasn't.
this is nothing you have any proof of, you are saying what you want to think happened and reading between the lines, for all you know the could have just dealt Cody for Zack because it adresses a team need,
you guys are making way to many assumptions, the truth is none of you know what really happened. I doubt anything really did happen behind the secenes either
Honestly, I'm in the same boat. Who does Cody think he is complaining to management about ice time? Is he above all of the other skaters on the team? What about Ballard and Schneider especially? Does he think each of them are not capable of more? To paraphrase Malhotra, on a team like this you just be happy to be part of it and you take whatever role you're given.
As of right now, I'm not sorry to see him go at all. I realize that it was likely his agent and Dads doing to a major extent, but if Cody didn't like it he should have stood up and said something. It's his life, if he were truely happy here in Vancouver I'm sure he would have told them that. Obviously he wasn't.
If there is a guy who can justify doing such a thing it would be Schneider. But he has towed the company line for years now. Clearly he could have forced the issue if he wanted to.
But, Cory has put the team first, and sees that playing for the Stanley Cup is a pretty big deal. He will get his chance to make the big bucks soon enough.
But on the other hand you have a rookie, playing behind 2 of the best centers in the world based upon the opinion of many hockey experts over the last 2-3 years, and he's asking for more ice, and his 'goals aren't in line with the teams'. That is crazy.
Cody was given the chance to play wing and see more minutes. He couldn't adapt, and that left only the 3rd or 4th line center ice slot for him.
How is that managements fault. You are being mentioned as a Calder candidate, 1 season removed from many people thinking you were done. How about some gratitude. Not only are your personal numbers something to be proud of, you are getting noticed around the league, and you have a very legit shot at getting your name on the Stanley Cup.
Apparently not good enough though.
Bright side: 1 yr ago today there is no way we get Kassian for Hodgson.
With the Schneider asset, barring an epic collapse by him down the stretch/in the playoffs, we should be able to add a top 6 forward, or a top 4 d-man + this off season anyways.
I am now very firmly entrenched on the Kassian bandwagon. We get a kid excited to prove himself and play for a Cup contender; we get rid of one that wants to play for individual stats, and could care less about the Cup.
Works out nice.
this is nothing you have any proof of, you are saying what you want to think happened and reading between the lines, for all you know the could have just dealt Cody for Zack because it adresses a team need,
The only thing this may have impacted was the timing of the trade, and I doubt even that.
The agent of a good young player indicates that he would like to play more than 12 minutes a night. No real shock there. On 90% of the teams he probably would see his playing time increase. The reality is that he was stuck behind Kesler and H Sedin and that wasn't going to change in at least the next 3 years. A trade to fill an area where the Canucks are weaker was almost inevitable. It's the same thing with Luongo and Schneider in net. One has to go.
If there is a guy who can justify doing such a thing it would be Schneider. But he has towed the company line for years now. Clearly he could have forced the issue if he wanted to.
But, Cory has put the team first, and sees that playing for the Stanley Cup is a pretty big deal. He will get his chance to make the big bucks soon enough.
But on the other hand you have a rookie, playing behind 2 of the best centers in the world based upon the opinion of many hockey experts over the last 2-3 years, and he's asking for more ice, and his 'goals aren't in line with the teams'. That is crazy.
Cody was given the chance to play wing and see more minutes. He couldn't adapt, and that left only the 3rd or 4th line center ice slot for him.
How is that managements fault. You are being mentioned as a Calder candidate, 1 season removed from many people thinking you were done. How about some gratitude. Not only are your personal numbers something to be proud of, you are getting noticed around the league, and you have a very legit shot at getting your name on the Stanley Cup.
Apparently not good enough though.
Bright side: 1 yr ago today there is no way we get Kassian for Hodgson.
With the Schneider asset, barring an epic collapse by him down the stretch/in the playoffs, we should be able to add a top 6 forward, or a top 4 d-man + this off season anyways.
I am now very firmly entrenched on the Kassian bandwagon. We get a kid excited to prove himself and play for a Cup contender; we get rid of one that wants to play for individual stats, and could care less about the Cup.
Works out nice.
I'm simply talking about this comment by his agent:
Care to comment on how the players goals should be different than the teams?
That's his agent talking, I wouldn't read too much into that. For example, it could mean that Cody believed he could better help the team by playing more but the Canucks didn't see that. Both of their goals could have been to try to improve the team's chances to win the Cup. They just disagreed on his role. I haven't seen anything from Hodgson that indicates he put himself before the team. Trades happen. There's a lot of reasons for both teams to make this trade.
That's his agent talking, I wouldn't read too much into that. For example, it could mean that Cody believed he could better help the team by playing more but the Canucks didn't see that. Both of their goals could have been to try to improve the team's chances to win the Cup. They just disagreed on his role. I haven't seen anything from Hodgson that indicates he put himself before the team. Trades happen. There's a lot of reasons for both teams to make this trade.
It could very well mean that.
Thus, IMO, Rich Winter can easily clarify that is what he means, and perhaps that would help alleviate the rampant speculation that is ongoing.
However, Winter's was asked if he could/would clarify.
having taken the time to analise the trade, I wouldnt call it a steal from either Vancouver or Buffalo... Both team's got what they were looking for in Kassian/Hodgson.
to VAN fans, please realise that Hodgson wasnt gonna bump Sedin or Kesler from the top 6.
I think that both team did a good deal here, and thx to Gillis & Regier for that trade bcz w/o that it wuold have been one hell of a boring day
EDIT: I hope to see Kassian given a shoot on the 2nd line though
having taken the time to analise the trade, I wouldnt call it a steal from either Vancouver or Buffalo... Both team's got what they were looking for in Kassian/Hodgson.
to VAN fans, please realise that Hodgson wasnt gonna bump Sedin or Kesler from the top 6.
I think that both team did a good deal here, and thx to Gillis & Regier for that trade bcz w/o that it wuold have been one hell of a boring day
EDIT: I hope to see Kassian given a shoot on the 2nd line though
I think the vast majority of Van fans realized that.
He saw some time on the 2nd during the Van/Phoenix game. Looked very promising there.
having taken the time to analise the trade, I wouldnt call it a steal from either Vancouver or Buffalo... Both team's got what they were looking for in Kassian/Hodgson.
to VAN fans, please realise that Hodgson wasnt gonna bump Sedin or Kesler from the top 6.
I think that both team did a good deal here, and thx to Gillis & Regier for that trade bcz w/o that it wuold have been one hell of a boring day
EDIT: I hope to see Kassian given a shoot on the 2nd line though
I don't think it's VAN fans that need to realize this... we've known this all along. We just thought that Cody and his agent would realize this as well, and would still be fine with his role on this team, given their Cup aspirations. That was not the case.
It seems obvious to me that Winter (and Cody's Dad) pushed for him to be moved. I can understand this as well... the Stanley Cup really isn't a priority in the first season of a player's career. Their priority is longevity. The first thing that any young player, their agent and their family, would want for a player in Cody's position, is assurance that he will stay in this league a long time and make as much money as he can in the limited time he can earn a living being a hockey player. That priority - or as Winter refers to - the goals of the player (which is different than the goal of the team), is what prompted Winter to - as he says "antagonize" Gillis until he moved him. Winter comes in as Hodgson's 3rd agent now already in his short career, and did what his family wanted to keep his job as his agent.
The Canucks goals right now is to win a Cup... no one player outweighs that. Cody's main goal - or at least the goal set for him via his agent and dad - is to maximize his earning potential when his next contract comes up. He would not do that playing on a 3rd line on a deep (and thus cap strapped) team. His chances of maximizing his earning potential are greatly increased going to a team where he can play a bigger role in the team's offense and put up the points that lead directly to a bigger paycheck.
I can understand Cody caring less about this than his agent/dad... but in the end, it's not just Cody, it's his entire camp... and Cody's camp did have different goals for him as a player, then the team had.
With that said, I'm fine with this trade now.... our goals in Vancouver have always been about the team... this is why guys like the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, etc never complained when put on the 3rd line and forced to work their way up... why Schneider doesn't complain about playing a backup role, while knowing he can be a starter - and make more money - elsewhere... these are the type of assets you want when your team goals are all that matters.
For Cody, and his camp, personal goals were more important than team goals. Again, as a young player in his situation, with a long career where he can chase the Cup ahead of him, I can understand that... he just has different priorities right now than the team does, and as such, the move was inevitable.
Wish him all the best... but you can't possibly expect to focus more on personal goals over team goals on a team who's trying to win the Cup right now, and expect to fit with the team.
btw... Kassian was given a shot on the 2nd line in his first game... he started on the 4th line, but past the 1st period he had moved up to the 2nd line and stayed there for the duration of the game.
