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Top-10 pick + Luke Schenn for Top-5 pick

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02-29-2012, 12:47 PM
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Edmonton doesn't do that, and I'm a Leaf fan..

Luke Schenn will still be a great defenseman but the Oilers need an all round defenseman at this point. If they drop down, they will do so because they know they can get Ryan Murray where they are dropping.

Luke is not going to be an offensive guy, Murray can be one of those 35-45 point guy that does it all.
There are half a dozen other defencemen after Murray who can be two way Ds for the Oilers. Schenn would automatically become the 3rd best defenceman on their team; they could use the crap out of him.

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02-29-2012, 12:51 PM
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lol. What's wrong with Schenn that makes the Leafs want to get rid of him so badly? His name is *everywhere*

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02-29-2012, 12:54 PM
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lol. What's wrong with Schenn that makes the Leafs want to get rid of him so badly? His name is *everywhere*
Check out last night's opening goal.



1st,2nd overall are not available for sure. Most likely the remaining will prospects will be defenseman, so there is no point in dealing Schenn.

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02-29-2012, 01:02 PM
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Check out last night's opening goal.
A mistake made by a young D man with zero confidence.
He still has all the physical tools to be a good D man.

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02-29-2012, 01:07 PM
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Has Schenn been that bad this year? Really honest question, and maybe this isn't the place to ask it.

I laughed when certain Leaf fans insisted that he's going to turn into a 40+ point NHL defenseman (his history has just never given any indication that it might happen), but I always maintained that he had a great shot to be a really solid top 4 defensive defenseman in the not so distant future. I suppose I haven't watched nearly as many Leaf games this year with the Bruins not holding their 1st rounder anymore, so it's an honest question. What happened?
To get a feeling why these proposals are happening....watch the 1st 15 seconds of last nights game.

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02-29-2012, 01:52 PM
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Check out last night's opening goal.

1st,2nd overall are not available for sure. Most likely the remaining will prospects will be defenseman, so there is no point in dealing Schenn.
That's the only way the Oilers make that kind of trade. If they're 1 or 2, they pick the BAR - best available Russian.

If they're 3-5, then they could entertain a deal, trading 2-3 years of development for what could be a better defenseman for a NHL-ready lesser defenseman.

The question then is Schenn good enough to make that kind of move? I'm not sure if he is... BTW - Omark would not be in that deal.

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02-29-2012, 01:58 PM
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Yeah, if I'm the Oilers, I seriously consider it and take whichever of Murray, Dumba, Reinhart, Trouba, Rielly or Ceci is left. If by some happenstance none of them are there, Faksa.

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02-29-2012, 02:07 PM
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IMO, assuming they have the #4 or #5 pick and the Leafs have #9 or #10, I think both the Isles and Oilers would consider that trade (Schenn + pick for pick, no other throw-ins needed). That's Schenn added, and a very good chance that the BPA is another solid D prospect for two teams in need of defensive upgrades.

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02-29-2012, 02:16 PM
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lol. What's wrong with Schenn that makes the Leafs want to get rid of him so badly? His name is *everywhere*
When you play defence on a team where the goalies can't stop a beach ball -- everyone is a loser. Heck Gustavson took a 60 foot wrist shot from the corner boards last week that was going wide and steered it in for the OT winner. Hard to look good there.

This team is decent with decent goaltending -- as is Schenn -- problem is the goaltending has been brutal.

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02-29-2012, 02:28 PM
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Yeah, if I'm the Oilers, I seriously consider it and take whichever of Murray, Dumba, Reinhart, Trouba, Rielly or Ceci is left. If by some happenstance none of them are there, Faksa.
Is he worth it though. Based on history 1 and 2 overall picks are slam dunk.

Is he worth the drop from Hall/Seguin to Dylan McIlrath or from RNH/Landeskog to Jonas Brodin.

Tavares/Hedman to MPS

Granted I dont watch the leafs enough to fully know enough about Luke Schenn but looking at the last 3 drafts its going from star franchise players to might make it one day type players

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02-29-2012, 02:41 PM
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Edm 2nd overall and Linus Omark for Luke Schenn and 9th overall pick.

Oilers then select Radek Faksa
Deal! Then Burke convinces Howson to give us Yakupov, citing Clb's need for a #1 centre.

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02-29-2012, 02:45 PM
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This draft looks extraordinarily weak for centers.

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Is he worth it though. Based on history 1 and 2 overall picks are slam dunk.

Is he worth the drop from Hall/Seguin to Dylan McIlrath or from RNH/Landeskog to Jonas Brodin.

Tavares/Hedman to MPS

Granted I dont watch the leafs enough to fully know enough about Luke Schenn but looking at the last 3 drafts its going from star franchise players to might make it one day type players
Well, Hall, Seguin and RNH were all 1st overall talents (Seguin was 1b). Hedman, Landeskog and Duchene would be more what Edmonton would get with anything other than 1st overall IMO.

And I would certaily trade Hedman for Schenn and Faksa.
Edmonton looks like they could pick 3rd anyways..

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02-29-2012, 03:12 PM
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Screw that lets just tank for Gaunce

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02-29-2012, 03:14 PM
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I would do
NYI
Schenn
9th/10th overall

Tor
4th/5th overall

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02-29-2012, 03:23 PM
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Habs won't deal their lottery pick but if we can pick up another top 10 pick, we'd take Schenn for that pick to move down to 10th. He'd be great alongside Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Emelin and Gorges, exactly what we'd need going forward.

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02-29-2012, 03:29 PM
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OP's proposal is ridiculous.

Move up 5 spots at the cost of Schenn?

No player who will be available at 5 is worth moving Schenn straight up for.

We're trying to build toward a playoff team.. not move a 22 year old for an 18/19 year old.

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02-29-2012, 03:29 PM
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Screw that lets just tank for Gaunce
I'd rather trade the pick. Draft looks extremely underwhelming for me outside the top few picks and the Leafs have alot of decent prospects but are lacking a high-profile blue-chipper

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02-29-2012, 03:31 PM
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OP's proposal is ridiculous.

Move up 5 spots at the cost of Schenn?

No player who will be available at 5 is worth moving Schenn straight up for.

We're trying to build toward a playoff team.. not move a 22 year old for an 18/19 year old.
The point was to trade Schenn for either Galchenyuk or Grigorenko, not just another 18 y/o.

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From Edm, screw that. Schenn continues to be massively overrated. He is not a 1st pairing Dman and that is what the oilers want. We have lots of 3-6 guys to choose from. Two mind bogglingly bad giveaways for goals in the last couple of weeks. Sitting out as a healthy scratch in his 4th year.

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02-29-2012, 03:39 PM
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OP's proposal is ridiculous.

Move up 5 spots at the cost of Schenn?

No player who will be available at 5 is worth moving Schenn straight up for.

We're trying to build toward a playoff team.. not move a 22 year old for an 18/19 year old.
Yeah, well, we're failing

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02-29-2012, 03:41 PM
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From Edm, screw that. Schenn continues to be massively overrated. He is not a 1st pairing Dman and that is what the oilers want. We have lots of 3-6 guys to choose from. Two mind bogglingly bad giveaways for goals in the last couple of weeks. Sitting out as a healthy scratch in his 4th year.
Who is saying he's currently a first pairing d-man? He's still very young, therefore prone to making mistakes from time-to-time and is still wildly inconsistent but has alot of really good qualities to his game and could still develop into a 1st pairing d-man ala Seabrook.


Apologies for the run-on sentence

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TBH I doubt thats enough to move into the top 3 or 4. But maybe #5 will need a dman and be ok with moving down in the draft.

To move into the top 3, Gardiner + IMO
LOL no ... Gard will be better than Dumba/Murray ... or whatever Dman could be drafted at that time ...

maybe a straight swap of the pick for Gards is fair, but i wouldnt do i t

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Who is saying he's currently a first pairing d-man? He's still very young, therefore prone to making mistakes from time-to-time and is still wildly inconsistent but has alot of really good qualities to his game and could still develop into a 1st pairing d-man ala Seabrook.
His ceiling is a #4 Dman on a contender.

Hes too stupid to be more then that.

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Seriously????

There is a notable drop-off after the first couple picks, the difference between 5 and 10 is not significant enough to deal a popular, early-20s shutdown-D that will become a solid Top4 once we get an actual hockey coach.

Not that i'm opposed to trading him persay...but Schenn is getting severly underrated by non-Leaf fans (and in all fairness still overrated by Leaf fans, but that's another story..)

Maybe something around #4-6 + young NHLer/ solid prospect w/upside for + #9-11 + Schenn

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