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Top-10 pick + Luke Schenn for Top-5 pick

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02-29-2012, 03:45 PM
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When you play defence on a team where the goalies can't stop a beach ball -- everyone is a loser. Heck Gustavson took a 60 foot wrist shot from the corner boards last week that was going wide and steered it in for the OT winner. Hard to look good there.

This team is decent with decent goaltending -- as is Schenn -- problem is the goaltending has been brutal.
Goaltending is the problem when Gustavsson is in net. When Reimer is in net, usually the problem has been defence.

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Seriously????

There is a notable drop-off after the first couple picks, the difference between 5 and 10 is not significant enough to deal a popular, early-20s shutdown-D that will become a solid Top4 once we get an actual hockey coach.

Not that i'm opposed to trading him persay...but Schenn is getting severly underrated by non-Leaf fans (and in all fairness still overrated by Leaf fans, but that's another story..)

Maybe something around #4-6 + young NHLer/ solid prospect w/upside for + #9-11 + Schenn
Id say a good not great prospect to fill the gap... Schenn has a ton of untapped potential, but the same could be said of any solid prospect going the other way

what else would you want from the Isles for Schenn and your pick (#9-11) in addition to our first (#4-6)

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02-29-2012, 04:20 PM
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Id say a good not great prospect to fill the gap... Schenn has a ton of untapped potential, but the same could be said of any solid prospect going the other way

what else would you want from the Isles for Schenn and your pick (#9-11) in addition to our first (#4-6)
I'd probably ask for Kabanov. TML fans won't like it very much, but we could really use a prospect with high-end potential, even if it is a high-risk player

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Any takers?
Look at the last 10 games of teams below TO. If TO continues that pace they will pick #4. not likely. but surprising.

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I'd probably ask for Kabanov. TML fans won't like it very much, but we could really use a prospect with high-end potential, even if it is a high-risk player
meh, I think the Isles balk at that offer... the Isles wouldnt want to give up a high potential player to move back 5-6 spots, even if it does get them back Luke Schenn

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02-29-2012, 05:36 PM
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Goaltending is the problem when Gustavsson is in net. When Reimer is in net, usually the problem has been defence.
Somebody has been watching games. I think we should trade Schenn for a top 5 pick. Straight up.

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Id say a good not great prospect to fill the gap... Schenn has a ton of untapped potential, but the same could be said of any solid prospect going the other way

what else would you want from the Isles for Schenn and your pick (#9-11) in addition to our first (#4-6)
If this was before the lottery, i would say something minor, and we will hope to win the lottery. If it is after the deadline, is

Isles 1st
Niederreiter

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Schenn
Leafs 1st
Percy(last years first round pick) or Gysbers + Mikus

Possible?

Niederreiter has not been performing in an Isles jersey.

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02-29-2012, 05:43 PM
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Habs pass. We're looking for a center and theres a good chance we get a good one.
Schenn is not worth moving back 5 spots. He's been horrible this season.There's a few
D-men available in the top 5 or 6th and they will be much better than Schenn after a few seasons.

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02-29-2012, 05:51 PM
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Pass. I still have faith in Schenn.

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Carolina would probably be interested, except it looks like they're not going to finish in the Top 5 and they're apparently happy with the defense they have now.

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Seriously????

There is a notable drop-off after the first couple picks, the difference between 5 and 10 is not significant enough to deal a popular, early-20s shutdown-D that will become a solid Top4 once we get an actual hockey coach.

Not that i'm opposed to trading him persay...but Schenn is getting severly underrated by non-Leaf fans (and in all fairness still overrated by Leaf fans, but that's another story..)

Maybe something around #4-6 + young NHLer/ solid prospect w/upside for + #9-11 + Schenn
Except there is Galchenyuk who's been out injured he's kind of a wildcard. Could easily be up there with the two Russians as offensive talent.

I dont know that Schenn is enough to make the deal but there are more d-men that could still be available when the leafs pick. It might be intersting for a team like the Oilers then again that cap hit for Schenn seems a little steep.

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I'd do it even to move to 6th and i'd be starting the party for the steal. Don't get mistaken, there's nothing in Luke Schenn. He's learned nothing and has regressed. He is Mike Commodore if Commodore made more gaffes.

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I'd do it even to move to 6th and i'd be starting the party for the steal. Don't get mistaken, there's nothing in Luke Schenn. He's learned nothing and has regressed. He is Mike Commodore if Commodore made more gaffes.

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Somebody has been watching games. I think we should trade Schenn for a top 5 pick. Straight up.


If this was before the lottery, i would say something minor, and we will hope to win the lottery. If it is after the deadline, is

Isles 1st
Niederreiter

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Schenn
Leafs 1st
Percy(last years first round pick) or Gysbers + Mikus

Possible?

Niederreiter has not been performing in an Isles jersey
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No, the Isles don't touch that with a 10 ft pole

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02-29-2012, 08:27 PM
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A couple of years ago, Schenn was worth a top-5 pick by himself. Now, after a couple years of leading defencemen in hits and overblown "regression", he is now worth moving up in the draft 5 spots?

Typical HFboards. A Schenn is a Schenn, but a 5th overall pick could be anything. It could even be a Schenn! But only if we trade a top-10 pick as well.

You don't give up on 22-year old defencemen, especially not to move your draft position to a spot that will likely make little to no difference.

Unless we'd be getting Yakupov, Leafs don't even consider this.

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02-29-2012, 08:30 PM
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There should be a general rule that all trade proposals started by a Leafs fan should be ignored. Only consider a Leafs trade if proposed by a different fanbase.

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02-29-2012, 08:51 PM
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lets just give up on a former top 5 pick and give up a top 10 pick. smart.

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02-29-2012, 11:12 PM
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I'd trade Schenn and a 2nd for another top 10 pick, but not with our 1st this year.

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Leonsis just bought the Capitals a new set of pylons, they have enough for now


also don't have a top 5 pick

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If habs had a 2nd pick from 6th to 10th I'd easily take this deal if TO is in 13 range on condition they take some salary back. I know it won't happen, just answering the OP. Schenn is still a good piece to a team.

I would not give habs top 5 pick though.

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There should be a general rule that all trade proposals started by a Leafs fan should be ignored. Only consider a Leafs trade if proposed by a different fanbase.
In this case, the proposal has led to some interesting discussion. Gotta feel for Schenn, though, it's no wonder he's struggling in TO. He'd probably be better off in New York or in Edmonton, not that I would make this particular deal.

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As an Islander fan I'd listen if we had the 5th pick and you were 10th
Snow likes MOBILE defensemen.Strong skaters.I don't see him passing up the chance to draft a mobile blueliner,to nab the weak skating Schenn.Unless he felt the player he wanted would be available at #10.

That's a big gamble to take though.Sliding down 5 spots and possibly missing out on the 2012 pick he wants.


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Somebody has been watching games. I think we should trade Schenn for a top 5 pick. Straight up.


If this was before the lottery, i would say something minor, and we will hope to win the lottery. If it is after the deadline, is

Isles 1st
Niederreiter

for
Phaneuf
Leafs 2nd


Possible?

Niederreiter has not been performing in an Isles jersey.

I fixed it for you.
With the vets Rolston and probably Parenteau leaving,I expect 19/20 yr old Nino to make his way off the 4th line.

Snow won't give up his 1st or Nino or a collection of Toronto's spare parts.

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Schenn's development reminds me of Smid - who took many years to become a top-pairing D-man. Smid had all the tools (skating, size, tenacity, puck carrying ability, but no shot to speak of) but chased the puck for the first few years. Only since last year he has turned on the beast mode.

The problem is, is any team willing to eat the development years (i.e suck) to reap the rewards? Schenn might be another two more years away before he can be 100% trusted.

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Schenn can likely garner a top 10 pick on his own. ...he's ready, and you know what you get, and what he can become ...the pick you never know???

GM's live for the moment, not 5 years down the road (many GM's dont even last 5 years)

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If Montreal ends up with the 3rd overall pick and both Yakupov and Grigorenko are taken I would definitely make this trade (as a Montreal fan)

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