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02-29-2012, 12:35 PM
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Feb 29, 2012 8:00 PM @ Chicago Blackhawks Loss
Mar 03, 2012 7:00 PM @ Montreal Canadiens Win
Mar 06, 2012 7:00 PM Boston Bruins Loss
Mar 07, 2012 7:30 PM @ Pittsburgh Penguins OTL
Mar 10, 2012 7:00 PM Philadelphia Flyers Loss
Mar 11, 2012 5:00 PM @ Washington Capitals OTL
Mar 13, 2012 7:30 PM @ Florida Panthers Win
Mar 15, 2012 7:30 PM @ Tampa Bay Lightning Loss
Mar 17, 2012 7:00 PM @ Ottawa Senators Loss
Mar 19, 2012 7:00 PM @ Boston Bruins Loss
Mar 20, 2012 7:00 PM New York Islanders Win
Mar 23, 2012 7:00 PM @ New Jersey Devils Loss
Mar 24, 2012 7:00 PM New York Rangers Loss
Mar 27, 2012 7:00 PM Carolina Hurricanes Win
Mar 29, 2012 7:00 PM Philadelphia Flyers OTL
Mar 31, 2012 7:00 PM Buffalo Sabres Win
Apr 03, 2012 7:00 PM @ Buffalo Sabres Loss
Apr 05, 2012 7:00 PM Tampa Bay Lightning Loss
Apr 07, 2012 7:00 PM @ Montreal Canadiens Win
That leaves our record at 6-10-3, 80 points.

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02-29-2012, 12:39 PM
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How do you know that whoever they will draft if they fall into the bottom 5 will pan out as a legit #1 C?
Players drafted as centers in the Top 5 between 2002-2012:

Eric Staal, Horton, Malkin, Crosby, Jordan Staal, Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, Turris, Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn, Seguin, Johansen, Nuegent-Hopkins, Strome, Huberdeau.

Only one flop so far: Turris. Jordan Staal, though he is not a first line C, is a very valuable piece.

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02-29-2012, 12:53 PM
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Should of just blown this up before. Now is too late.

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02-29-2012, 12:54 PM
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The way they are playing right now?

Sure. And lets hope so!

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02-29-2012, 01:06 PM
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Yea we really need to get into the bottom 5. Than hopefully they will fire Wilson, and the team will learn that you can't play 50 games and expect to make the playoffs.

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02-29-2012, 01:12 PM
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If the Leafs finish the season in their current position, they would pick 10th (or somewhere around there). Just comes to mind that a former #10 pick from Montreal was just traded in the form of Kostitsyn.

I suspect if the Leafs finish the season as they are positioned now and end up with a Kostitsyn on their team (30 - 50 point second line winger), it will not go over well.

Burke should have traded off some players for first rounders, combined one or more of those first rounders with the Leaf's pick and moved up to potentially a top 4 or 5 pick.

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02-29-2012, 01:22 PM
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The remainder of the season can be split into 2 parts:

The very tough stretch:
Feb 29, 2012 8:00 PM @ Chicago Blackhawks
Mar 03, 2012 7:00 PM @ Montreal Canadiens
Mar 06, 2012 7:00 PM Boston Bruins
Mar 07, 2012 7:30 PM @ Pittsburgh Penguins
Mar 10, 2012 7:00 PM Philadelphia Flyers
Mar 11, 2012 5:00 PM @ Washington Capitals
Mar 13, 2012 7:30 PM @ Florida Panthers
Mar 15, 2012 7:30 PM @ Tampa Bay Lightning
Mar 17, 2012 7:00 PM @ Ottawa Senators
Mar 19, 2012 7:00 PM @ Boston Bruins
Mar 20, 2012 7:00 PM New York Islanders
Mar 23, 2012 7:00 PM @ New Jersey Devils
Mar 24, 2012 7:00 PM New York Rangers

The very easy stretch:
Mar 27, 2012 7:00 PM Carolina Hurricanes
Mar 29, 2012 7:00 PM Philadelphia Flyers
Mar 31, 2012 7:00 PM Buffalo Sabres
Apr 03, 2012 7:00 PM @ Buffalo Sabres
Apr 05, 2012 7:00 PM Tampa Bay Lightning
Apr 07, 2012 7:00 PM @ Montreal Canadiens


In that "very tough stretch," we have 4 sets of back-to-backs, 9 of the 13 games are on the road, and the quality of competition we face is very high. If we want to have any remote hope at the playoffs, we need at least 6-7 wins in that 13 game stretch, and realistically I cannot see that happening. My guess is that we go something like 2-10-1 over those 13 games, and find ourselves among the bottom bottom feeders of the league on March 25th.

If we're at all in the playoff hunt by the end of the tough stretch, our last 6 games are relatively easy, and we could make a push. As I said though, I think it's more likely that we're WAY out of the playoffs by then. I see those last 6 games as a fight for the bottom. 5 of those 6 games are against bottom feeder type teams, teams who will be direct tanking competitors for a top pick. Whether we end up with the 5th or 10th overall pick could really come down to how well/poorly we play over those last 6 games.

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02-29-2012, 01:31 PM
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If the Leafs finish the season in their current position, they would pick 10th (or somewhere around there). Just comes to mind that a former #10 pick from Montreal was just traded in the form of Kostitsyn.

I suspect if the Leafs finish the season as they are positioned now and end up with a Kostitsyn on their team (30 - 50 point second line winger), it will not go over well.

Burke should have traded off some players for first rounders, combined one or more of those first rounders with the Leaf's pick and moved up to potentially a top 4 or 5 pick.
To be fair though that was a bad selection by Montreal when you look at the rest of the draft.

11 Jeff Carter (Centre)
13 Dustin Brown (Right Wing)
14 Brent Seabrook (Defence)
17 Zach Parise (Centre)
19 Ryan Getzlaf (Centre)
20 Brent Burns (Defence)
23 Ryan Kesler (Centre)
24 Mike Richards (Centre)
28 Corey Perry (Right Wing)
33 Loui Eriksson (Left Wing)
45 Patrice Bergeron (Centre)
49 Shea Weber (Defence)
62 David Backes (Right Wing)

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02-29-2012, 02:33 PM
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Alex Galchenyuk would be nice

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02-29-2012, 02:36 PM
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Only way we get a top 5 pick is if we win the lottery, which would be between 2.7% and 6.2% Here were the lottery odds from last year's draft.

25.0% - Edmonton Oilers
18.8% - Colorado Avalanche
14.2% - Florida Panthers
10.7% - New York Islanders
8.1% - Ottawa Senators
6.2% - Atlanta Thrashers
4.7% - Columbus Blue Jackets
3.6% - New Jersey Devils
2.7% - Boston Bruins (From Toronto)
2.1% - Minnesota Wild
1.5% - St. Louis Blues
1.1% - Carolina Hurricanes
0.8% - Calgary Flames
0.5% - Dallas Stars

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02-29-2012, 02:37 PM
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Only way we get a top 5 pick is if we win the lottery, which would be between 2.7% and 6.2% Here were the lottery odds from last year's draft.

25.0% - Edmonton Oilers
18.8% - Colorado Avalanche
14.2% - Florida Panthers
10.7% - New York Islanders
8.1% - Ottawa Senators
6.2% - Atlanta Thrashers
4.7% - Columbus Blue Jackets
3.6% - New Jersey Devils
2.7% - Boston Bruins (From Toronto)
2.1% - Minnesota Wild
1.5% - St. Louis Blues
1.1% - Carolina Hurricanes
0.8% - Calgary Flames
0.5% - Dallas Stars
or finish fourth/fifth last.

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02-29-2012, 02:40 PM
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They way we are losing right now, we can be picking 2nd overall lmao... I hope we keep losing. We need a franchise C and the only way to get it is through a draft!

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They way we are losing right now, we can be picking 2nd overall lmao... I hope we keep losing. We need a franchise C and the only way to get it is through a draft!
This draft is weak for centremen

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Burke on the playoff race: “The schedule favours us in terms of the teams that we play. We have control whether we get in or not.”
I think he was referring to the fact that we play games against teams we are battling in for a playoff spot with.

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This draft is weak for centremen
hmmm. GRIGORENKO, GALCHENYUK, FAKSA, GAUNCE and even GIRGENSONS. Those have amazing potentials. Esp Gri and Galy..

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This draft is weak for centremen
One scout referred to Grigorenko as possibly being the next Malkin. Galchenyuk is also highly touted (though he's missed the entire season due to injury). Both of those guys could fall to us depending on where we finish and the needs of any teams drafting ahead of us (e.g. the Oilers probably take a defender this year).

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One scout referred to Grigorenko as possibly being the next Malkin. Galchenyuk is also highly touted (though he's missed the entire season due to injury). Both of those guys could fall to us depending on where we finish and the needs of any teams drafting ahead of us (e.g. the Oilers probably take a defender this year).
if last nite..... is any indication of the intensity ......lottery pick for

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I don't see any franchise C in this draft. I'm not enthralled with the thought of any of the Russians tbh, I don't see their hype up there with Ovy and Malkin who were always considered can't miss superstar talents. I wish we had a player like RNH, Hall, or Seguin in this draft. That would've been something to look forward to. I don't mind the thought of Gaunce though, seems like a good two way C with lots of size. I don't think you draft him top 5 though. I'd be disappointed if we fell inside the top 5 (standings wise) and I'd trade down if anyone wanted it badly and grab another pick.

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or finish fourth/fifth last.
I didn't think Carolina or Buffalo would be able to make up 3 games on the Leafs in 19 games, but anything is possible.

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02-29-2012, 03:26 PM
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I don't see any franchise C in this draft. I'm not enthralled with the thought of any of the Russians tbh, I don't see their hype up there with Ovy and Malkin who were always considered can't miss superstar talents. I wish we had a player like RNH, Hall, or Seguin in this draft. That would've been something to look forward to. I don't mind the thought of Gaunce though, seems like a good two way C with lots of size. I don't think you draft him top 5 though. I'd be disappointed if we fell inside the top 5 (standings wise) and I'd trade down if anyone wanted it badly and grab another pick.
Personally, I'm pretty sold on both Grigorenko and Galchenyuk, more so than Gaunce.

Galchenyuk looked real good in the OHL last year, too bad he missed this year with the knee injury, but he should be fully recovered soon. 6'2", is the kind of puck possession center we've needed for ages, can pass and score, good skater, high end skill set in general, what's not to like? If you're worried about the Russian factor, he was born in Milwaukee, grew up in a number of different places around the world (as his dad was a pro hockey player), and moved back to North America about 3 years ago specifically so he could play junior and major junior hockey here. I really don't think there should be any concern about him leaving to play in the KHL, he seems very focused on playing in the NHL.

Grigorenko looks very, very good too, great size, great vision, great shot, high skill level, very patient and can slow the game down. I don't think he's going to be nearly as dominant as Malkin, but he plays a similar style of game, but without Malkin's explosive speed (more of a Thornton/Getzlaf level skater). I doubt we have a shot at drafting Grigoreko, he should be a top 2-3 pick IMO, but I do think he's a pretty excellent prospect, just as I think Galchenyuk is a pretty damn good prospect too. No, they aren't Ovy/Malkin level prospects, but they could both be legit 1st line NHL centers in the future, and I'd be ecstatic to draft either one. Gaunce looks like more of a #2/#3 to me.

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Let hope for a top 3 pick, Leave Wilson in there and its very possible.

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I don't see any franchise C in this draft. I'm not enthralled with the thought of any of the Russians tbh, I don't see their hype up there with Ovy and Malkin who were always considered can't miss superstar talents. I wish we had a player like RNH, Hall, or Seguin in this draft. That would've been something to look forward to. I don't mind the thought of Gaunce though, seems like a good two way C with lots of size. I don't think you draft him top 5 though. I'd be disappointed if we fell inside the top 5 (standings wise) and I'd trade down if anyone wanted it badly and grab another pick.
People on here were saying Seguin and RNH didn't resemble franchise players once upon a time...

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Well CBJ takes Yakupov without a doubt..
Edmonton and the Islanders both take D-men
It comes down to Carolina, Toronto and Montreal. If Toronto beats our Montreal then Carolina might take Forsberg and Toronto picks up Grigorenko or vice versa.

Niether is bad for the Leafs.
If the Oilers and Isles were to take D-men, they won't do it with the 2nd and 3rd overall pick. They'll trade down, and take 2 defensemen in the top 15.

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If the Oilers and Isles were to take D-men, they won't do it with the 2nd and 3rd overall pick. They'll trade down, and take 2 defensemen in the top 15.
What would we have to add to a 6/7 (just estimating that's where we land) to get them to move down??

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