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03-01-2012, 09:40 AM
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People: we need to think outside the box if we want avoid the dreaded "winning streak" or "momentum".

A true tanking strategy would include:

1) Disease: Spreading viruses into the heart of the Canadiens dressing room. This can be achieved quite effectively through the delivery mechanism of virus-infected toddlers.

2) Distraction: Spreading vicious rumours about all the players. Make them paranoid. Maybe their wife hasn't been faithful? Maybe Gauthier is loaning Gomez to the Siberian Gulags for a year or two?

3) Fatigue: Let's tire these guys out. We call Mayor Tremblay and set up a giant construction site around the bell center. Total gridlock. Will take hours just to move two blocks. All exits, one way streets, alleways blocked.


As far as I know, none of these are illegal, and quite possibly, are already happening.

Have fun Scott. I hear it takes 23 hours on the train just to play the other team.
Funny. Couldn't we have just kept AK if we wanted a disease and distraction.

Right now winning is prevented by LOFT.

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03-01-2012, 09:40 AM
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I just want to save many of you the heartbreak: Just because we may be drafting high, it doesn't guarantee we draft a player who ever even ends up playing in the NHL. We may be drafting high, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee us a star player or anything.

Don't expect the world just because we finished low for the first time in years.
We shouldn't take take it for granted but it's reasonable to expect a bigger, more talented player than, say, Louis Leblanc (not that Leblanc was a bad pick). It's also worth noting that the Habs will pick high in the second round, so there's a fairly good chance they'll land at least two worthwhile prospects in the 2012 draft. The additional second rounders in 2012 and 2013 acquired in the Gill, Cammalleri, and Kostitsyn trades may improve the Habs' depth in time.

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03-01-2012, 09:46 AM
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Just a question for those who seen grigs and forsberg play. Comparing this year draft to last years class. Who is better?

Forsberg or landeskog
Grigs or huberdeau

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03-01-2012, 09:49 AM
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You want to tank, play Weber as often as possible.

Clueless in the defensive end.

Slows down the transition game to a halt.

Never seems to find the lane to shoot, just passes it back to his team mates.


- You can also play Kaberle and Campoli a lot too. While you are at it Darche on the PP, and Engvist on the 4th line.
Aren't you glad that Weber, Kaberle, Campoli, and Darcheweren't traded?

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03-01-2012, 10:08 AM
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You want to tank, play Weber as often as possible.

Clueless in the defensive end.

Slows down the transition game to a halt.

Never seems to find the lane to shoot, just passes it back to his team mates.


- You can also play Kaberle and Campoli a lot too. While you are at it Darche on the PP, and Engvist on the 4th line.
I'd have to agree.

Yannick "I haven't forgotten what you've said about your teammates when you were scratched and you should've gotten benched for the rest of the season not only because of that, but you suck too much" Weber

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03-01-2012, 10:12 AM
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I'd have to agree.

Yannick "I haven't forgotten what you've said about your teammates when you were scratched and you should've gotten benched for the rest of the season not only because of that, but you suck too much" Weber
meh... the last time a younger Habs said/acted as if he was better than some of the other players... they were traded and ended up doing very well for TO and Nashville...

not saying that's what will happen with him but...

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03-01-2012, 10:17 AM
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Something is telling me that Galchenyuk > Grigorenko

I find it odd that he's sill ranked high, despite him missing an entire season.

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03-01-2012, 10:21 AM
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meh... the last time a younger Habs said/acted as if he was better than some of the other players... they were traded and ended up doing very well for TO and Nashville...

not saying that's what will happen with him but...
It's true that we shouldn't trade young players solely because of mistakes like that, but this guy is different. He has done nothing to back up his words so far and he's 23. Should know better than that by that age.

Besides, I don't remember Grabovski throwing his teammates under the bus verbally, just leaving the team to meet his agent. Which still isn't alright, but at least he didn't go full out and blatantly stating what Weber did. I could be wrong though, I remember not giving a single **** about it.

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It's true that we shouldn't trade young players solely because of mistakes like that, but this guy is different. He has done nothing to back up his words so far and he's 23. Should know better than that by that age.

Besides, I don't remember Grabovski throwing his teammates under the bus verbally, just leaving the team to meet his agent. Which still isn't alright, but at least he didn't go full out and blatantly stating what Weber did. I could be wrong though, I remember not giving a single **** about it.
Grabs did say something like he was better than other centres on the team and should be playing ahead of them.

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03-01-2012, 10:27 AM
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Aren't you glad that Weber, Kaberle, Campoli, and Darcheweren't traded?
what a quality lineup.

The best thing I could say about that group is that at least Darche does not shy away from contact, and actually initiates it sometimes....even if he does not hit to hurt.

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03-01-2012, 10:28 AM
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It's true that we shouldn't trade young players solely because of mistakes like that, but this guy is different. He has done nothing to back up his words so far and he's 23. Should know better than that by that age.

Besides, I don't remember Grabovski throwing his teammates under the bus verbally, just leaving the team to meet his agent. Which still isn't alright, but at least he didn't go full out and blatantly stating what Weber did. I could be wrong though, I remember not giving a single **** about it.
and how old do you think Grabovski was when he made his comments ?

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I just want to save many of you the heartbreak: Just because we may be drafting high, it doesn't guarantee we draft a player who ever even ends up playing in the NHL. We may be drafting high, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee us a star player or anything.

Don't expect the world just because we finished low for the first time in years.
Drafting 16th doesn't guarantee anything either. Except that there are 15 other teams who get to select ahead of you.

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It's true that we shouldn't trade young players solely because of mistakes like that, but this guy is different. He has done nothing to back up his words so far and he's 23. Should know better than that by that age.
I seriously thought I was alone thinking Weber is a waste of time.

Most here spout of his PP points (not much since Nov-btw) and pretend he is Mark Streit.

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03-01-2012, 10:32 AM
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I seriously thought I was alone thinking Weber is a waste of time.

Most here spout of his PP points (not much since Nov-btw) and pretend he is Mark Streit.
are you trying to say he got more (PP) points when he was playing more ?


shocking!

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and how old do you think Grabovski was when he made his comments ?
It's irrelevant, it's not an excuse to make it alright.


Just because Grabovski said it and became a good player in Toronto.

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It's irrelevant, it's not an excuse to make it alright.


Just because Grabovski said it and became a good player in Toronto.
Nope, it doesnt make it right to say what he did...

but in the end, the youngsters who "talked" ended up doing fine elsewhere...

and by fine i meanthey said they deserved more, and when given more elsewhere they showed they were right.

so, should we just waste another youngster (who may turn out a great NHLer or a career AHLer, who knows!) simple cause he talked a little too much ?

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It's irrelevant, it's not an excuse to make it alright.


Just because Grabovski said it and became a good player in Toronto.
Nope, it doesnt make it right to say what he did...

but in the end, the youngsters who "talked" ended up doing fine elsewhere...

and by fine i meanthey said they deserved more, and when given more elsewhere they showed they were right.

so, should we just waste another youngster (who may turn out a great NHLer or a career AHLer, who knows!) simple cause he talked a little too much ?


and besides, you're the one who brought up the age of Weber... so, how is it irrelevant ?

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I seriously thought I was alone thinking Weber is a waste of time.

Most here spout of his PP points (not much since Nov-btw) and pretend he is Mark Streit.
i was hopig we were able to trade him when his value was at what will most likley be an all time high, early during the season.

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Something is telling me that Galchenyuk > Grigorenko

I find it odd that he's sill ranked high, despite him missing an entire season.
one played with Yakupov and the other plays with Frederick Roy big difference

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Just a question for those who seen grigs and forsberg play. Comparing this year draft to last years class. Who is better?

Forsberg or landeskog
Grigs or huberdeau
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Landeskog > Forsberg

Grigorenko > Huberdeau

but only time will tell


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Just a question for those who seen grigs and forsberg play. Comparing this year draft to last years class. Who is better?

Forsberg or landeskog
Grigs or huberdeau
I'd take Landeskog and Huberdeau over Forsberg and Grigs, however Forsberg and Grigs have more natural talent. It's just that Landeskog already has an NHL frame and is a natural leader and Huberdeau has a much higher compete level.

Both cases could go either way.

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I seriously thought I was alone thinking Weber is a waste of time.

Most here spout of his PP points (not much since Nov-btw) and pretend he is Mark Streit.
When Mark Streit was 23 he wasn't good enough for the AHL.

That doesn't mean Weber will have a similar trajectory toward Streit, Streit is a unique case. But you really shouldn't be gloating.

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I'd have to agree.

Yannick "I haven't forgotten what you've said about your teammates when you were scratched and you should've gotten benched for the rest of the season not only because of that, but you suck too much" Weber
what did Weber say?

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one played with Yakupov and the other plays with Frederick Roy big difference
Galchenyuk is a great player in his own right, Yakupov or not.

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Nope, it doesnt make it right to say what he did...

but in the end, the youngsters who "talked" ended up doing fine elsewhere...

and by fine i meanthey said they deserved more, and when given more elsewhere they showed they were right.

so, should we just waste another youngster (who may turn out a great NHLer or a career AHLer, who knows!) simple cause he talked a little too much ?
He's not a waste, we have a bunch of guys like him coming up and Diaz is already better than him.
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and besides, you're the one who brought up the age of Weber... so, how is it irrelevant ?
The age is not irrelevant, the irrelevant thing is to have brought up Grabovski into the discussion. Grabovski's success in Toronto doesn't make Weber an untouchable...he's way too average for that.

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I had a chance to see Yakupov play this past weekend in Guelph and WOW this kid is dazzling.

For me, watching him play he was equally as impressive as when I saw Stamkos play when he was in the OHL. Explosive, dynamic, plays with an edge. All the makings of an elite forward and zero doubt in my mind he will be able to come in an produce next season like Hall and RNH of previous years.

I wonder if Columbus could be persuaded to move down assuming we have the 2nd/3rd pick if we added Pleckanec? It would address a need for CBJ and could help them keep Nash and they would still get a good player with #2 or #3.

I feel if we have a true franchise player like this within our grasp of acquiring than we should do everything in our power to make it happen.

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