Anyone getting sick of everyone offering a draft pick(s) for Cory Schneider?
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Schneider has spent several years in the organization and has been quite an investment. Why spend another five years in hopes of developing another player similar to Schneider's value. I would love to for the organization to build a package centred around Schneider and who ever seems feasible to trade to Tampa for Connolly & Teddy Purcell. Connolly appears to already have significant upside, and while it may seem contradictory to what I've mentioned as he is still a prospect/fringe NHLer at the moment he appears NHL ready for next year. Purcell could complete for a top 6 role in vancouver, as I hope Raymond will not be a part of our core going forward.
There would be a forward logjam, but it would be better than icing a poor fourth line.
Definitely something would be needed to add to Schneider to obtain those two players.
If you want to take a look at Higgins' stats prior to joining a Canuck, he was nowhere near as productive as he is now. A player of Raymond's ability goes for more than 3 million. Some people just don't seem to understand this.
I guarantee if you went to get a replacement for Raymond, we'd pay 3.5-4 million. Upshall got 3.5 million after coming off a 34-point season and he's nowhere near as good as Raymond offensively and defensively.
Raymond can seek that money elsewhere if he thinks he's worth it. He is currently in a four way tie as the 5th best forward on this team...........at best. Who give a ***** what other guys got ? If 21 wants to stay here he will make no more than 2.5 - 2.8.
except if they pick below the top 10 i highly doubt they're trading that pick for schneider
outside the top 2 or 3 picks I don't see why you wouldn't trade it. Look around the 5-10 pick range for the last 5 or 10 years, realistically how many are better/more important to their team than an elite young starter? You think Couturier or JVR would have more impact on Philly than Schneider...and then there are many, many busts and disappointments.
I'd also like the think Gillis will want to turn Schneider into a longer term piece for the Canucks. Something he can point at in 5 or 6 years while Schneider is owning teams and we get all regretful. He's not big on dealing known assets for short term fixes (eg Hodgson for Kassian. 1st+grabs for Ballard on a long term deal).
I'm fairly certain we could cut some deals with players we don't need but who would be solid upgrades for Tampa and some picks. Ballard to us is surplus to Tampa he's top 4 on a managable contract. Raymond is movable. Our first is movable.
Schneider 1st Ballard
Tampa 1st and Connolly
Tampa is an instantly better team with that, Tampa gets 3 assets for 2 and one of them is the BPA. They can flip our pick for more players if they want.
For us we get to rebuild while maintaining our status as an elite team.
Schneider has spent several years in the organization and has been quite an investment. Why spend another five years in hopes of developing another player similar to Schneider's value. I would love to for the organization to build a package centred around Schneider and who ever seems feasible to trade to Tampa for Connolly & Teddy Purcell. Connolly appears to already have significant upside, and while it may seem contradictory to what I've mentioned as he is still a prospect/fringe NHLer at the moment he appears NHL ready for next year. Purcell could complete for a top 6 role in vancouver, as I hope Raymond will not be a part of our core going forward.
There would be a forward logjam, but it would be better than icing a poor fourth line.
Definitely something would be needed to add to Schneider to obtain those two players.
Connelly made sense before Kassian now I am not sure. Sedin Booth Burrows Kassian Higgins Hansen and Jensen on his way in two years. I like the idea of a young dman who will be ready 2 or 3 years. However you are right in that it would be nice to know what you are getting back rather than hoping to make a good pick. I am confident that Vancouver can develop players now though. Maybe another center prospect now is in order for the draft as in three years there might be space.
outside the top 2 or 3 picks I don't see why you wouldn't trade it. Look around the 5-10 pick range for the last 5 or 10 years, realistically how many are better/more important to their team than an elite young starter? You think Couturier or JVR would have more impact on Philly than Schneider...and then there are many, many busts and disappointments.
I'd also like the think Gillis will want to turn Schneider into a longer term piece for the Canucks. Something he can point at in 5 or 6 years while Schneider is owning teams and we get all regretful. He's not big on dealing known assets for short term fixes (eg Hodgson for Kassian. 1st+grabs for Ballard on a long term deal).
I'm fairly certain we could cut some deals with players we don't need but who would be solid upgrades for Tampa and some picks. Ballard to us is surplus to Tampa he's top 4 on a managable contract. Raymond is movable. Our first is movable.
Schneider 1st Ballard
Tampa 1st and Connolly
Tampa is an instantly better team with that, Tampa gets 3 assets for 2 and one of them is the BPA. They can flip our pick for more players if they want.
For us we get to rebuild while maintaining our status as an elite team.
How is that sensible at all?
We trade two roster players and our first
for a higher first and a prospect that's going to have a hard time in our RW depth chart, especially considering we want checking RWs for the third and fourth lines.
It just doesn't seem logical at all.
Especially trading our first at all. You could take it out of the deal and I still wouldn't do it.
Schneider has a lot of value.
Personally I'd honestly rather somehow move Luongo and keep Schneider.
"Tallon admitted that forward Mikael Samuelsson was wanted by his former teams, Vancouver and Detroit, but he wasn't interested."
Now, a lot of people weren't on board with this suggestion when I/Big Foot proposed it, but there it is. It seemed that MG did think Samuelsson's skill-set would be a good thing to bring back. That he was a good target. Right shot, top6 forward that produces. Interesting...
"Tallon admitted that forward Mikael Samuelsson was wanted by his former teams, Vancouver and Detroit, but he wasn't interested."
Now, a lot of people weren't on board with this suggestion when I/Big Foot proposed it, but there it is. It seemed that MG did think Samuelsson's skill-set would be a good thing to bring back. That he was a good target. Right shot, top6 forward that produces. Interesting...
... well it would mean Raymond isn't on that damn 2nd line RW role...
"Tallon admitted that forward Mikael Samuelsson was wanted by his former teams, Vancouver and Detroit, but he wasn't interested."
Now, a lot of people weren't on board with this suggestion when I/Big Foot proposed it, but there it is. It seemed that MG did think Samuelsson's skill-set would be a good thing to bring back. That he was a good target. Right shot, top6 forward that produces. Interesting...
Most NHL'ers are worth a look if the cost of acquisition is right...
Maybe Gillis throws an offer his way this summer? Samuelsson's lack of footspeed really isn't much of an issue in the new dead-puck-era.
Most NHL'ers are worth a look if the cost of acquisition is right...
Maybe Gillis throws an offer his way this summer? Samuelsson's lack of footspeed really isn't much of an issue in the new dead-puck-era.
But seldom do you see teams try to re-acquire players they just dealt. A phrase that was thrown around at the time was "you never go back". Well, in this case, it appears that's exactly what MG tried to do.
I definitely think MG will try to sign Sammy this summer. Having said that, so will Detroit. Given that VAN dealt him just recently, I think if the offers were comparable, he'd sign with DET.
outside the top 2 or 3 picks I don't see why you wouldn't trade it. Look around the 5-10 pick range for the last 5 or 10 years, realistically how many are better/more important to their team than an elite young starter? You think Couturier or JVR would have more impact on Philly than Schneider...and then there are many, many busts and disappointments.
I'd also like the think Gillis will want to turn Schneider into a longer term piece for the Canucks. Something he can point at in 5 or 6 years while Schneider is owning teams and we get all regretful. He's not big on dealing known assets for short term fixes (eg Hodgson for Kassian. 1st+grabs for Ballard on a long term deal).
I'm fairly certain we could cut some deals with players we don't need but who would be solid upgrades for Tampa and some picks. Ballard to us is surplus to Tampa he's top 4 on a managable contract. Raymond is movable. Our first is movable.
Schneider 1st Ballard
Tampa 1st and Connolly
Tampa is an instantly better team with that, Tampa gets 3 assets for 2 and one of them is the BPA. They can flip our pick for more players if they want.
For us we get to rebuild while maintaining our status as an elite team.
I agree, except I don't think Connolly fits now with Kassian in the mix. Connolly wont play with the Sedins and the Canucks already have RW prospects in Kassian, Jensen, Rodin.
I agree Tampa's 1st round pick will be key and i'm hoping it's in the 5-10 range as that would likely mean the Canucks get a shot at Alex Galchenyuk, Mikhail Grigorenko, or Radek Faksa all of whom are big-body centers that can score and make passes and possess great hands and vision.
I agree Tampa's 1st round pick will be key and i'm hoping it's in the 5-10 range as that would likely mean the Canucks get a shot at Alex Galchenyuk, Mikhail Grigorenko, or Radek Faksa all of whom are big-body centers that can score and make passes and possess great hands and vision.
Yeah but with this years draft there is a good chance that the BPA at the 5th-10th overall range will be a D man.
Which brings up one of my favourite draft day debates; draft the BPA or fill an organizational need? I know most side with the former, but I tend to lean towards the latter.
If Sulzer makes it to Free Agency, I'd want GMMG to try and get him back.
Either retain Pahlsson, or go for Gaustad, which I actually prefer, younger, bigger, stronger.
I've noticed that Brandon Dubinsky has fallen out of favor in New York, and has struggled this season.
If we could somehow pull off a Raymond+ for Dubinsky deal in the summer, I would be very happy.
However, if he gets packaged in a trade to Columbus for Nash (like what was rumored at the trade deadline) in the summer, we could move Raymond and Schneider to Columbus for Dubinsky++ (probably one of their top 4 d-men and a prospect/pick)
Yeah but with this years draft there is a good chance that the BPA at the 5th-10th overall range will be a D man.
Which brings up one of my favourite draft day debates; draft the BPA or fill an organizational need? I know most side with the former, but I tend to lean towards the latter.
? It depends on who the organization classifies as BPA. There is, usually, no straight-forward BPA unless you have a #1 pick.
As an example ISS has Grigorenko ranked 2nd, but many pro scouts now put him in the 7th-10th range. Faksa meanwhile is ranked 4th but i've seen lists put him as low as 17th.
Star D-man Ryan Murray is rated 3rd, but many scouts now have him listed in the 5-10 range.
for a higher first and a prospect that's going to have a hard time in our RW depth chart, especially considering we want checking RWs for the third and fourth lines.
It just doesn't seem logical at all.
Especially trading our first at all. You could take it out of the deal and I still wouldn't do it.
Schneider has a lot of value.
He does and we'd get value back. You can say it is 2 roster players.we are losing, but they ares only a backup and 3rd pairing D to us next year and the next etc, even if they are a #1 goalie and a second pairing D on another team.
If you don't need that type of prospect in a year or two you trade them for someone you do.
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Personally I'd honestly rather somehow move Luongo and keep Schneider.
I'm sure you would but I doubt Luongo would waive his etc.
The only reason the organization would ever move Luongo is if the team completely fell apart and missed the playoffs and it was clear there was problems.
Yeah but with this years draft there is a good chance that the BPA at the 5th-10th overall range will be a D man.
Which brings up one of my favourite draft day debates; draft the BPA or fill an organizational need? I know most side with the former, but I tend to lean towards the latter.
Canucks went through a loonngg period of drafting by need.
Always BPA with consideration to needs a distant second but a consideration none the less.
Anyone getting sick of everyone offering a draft pick(s) for Cory Schneider?
im not. I am actually hoping that we get a highis first for him in the 4-8 range and trade Ballard or Raymond or both for late first rounders and make a push to get the best dman available in the draft. ELC is what this team needs.
"Tallon admitted that forward Mikael Samuelsson was wanted by his former teams, Vancouver and Detroit, but he wasn't interested."
Now, a lot of people weren't on board with this suggestion when I/Big Foot proposed it, but there it is. It seemed that MG did think Samuelsson's skill-set would be a good thing to bring back. That he was a good target. Right shot, top6 forward that produces. Interesting...
Tony Gallager wrote an article about a month ago and it talked about Samulessons experiance in Flordia and it was likley he would resign here in the summer.
Tony Gallager wrote an article about a month ago and it talked about Samulessons experiance in Flordia and it was likley he would resign here in the summer.
That doesn't surprise me. I could see Samy re-signing in Detroit too.
im not. I am actually hoping that we get a highis first for him in the 4-8 range and trade Ballard or Raymond or both for late first rounders and make a push to get the best dman available in the draft. ELC is what this team needs.
So we develop a prospect for years till he's ready for prime time NHL action then we trade em away for more draft picks again?
We all expect MG to trade Schneider fofr help elsewhere in the lineup, so I fully expect MG to do the opposite of whats the popular opinion and re-sign CS to a 5 year contract extension and then say to the fan base, deal with it. lol
I dunno however if MG has taught us anything, it's always expect the unexpected.
Tony Gallager wrote an article about a month ago and it talked about Samulessons experiance in Flordia and it was likley he would resign here in the summer.
Very interesting... I hadn't read that before. It definitely looks like MG will make a pitch to Sammy this offseason. Hopefully it's enough of a comparable to DET's offer that he favours the city and his most recent team, and comes back. He's a bigger body (6'2". 218lbs), creative, shields the puck well -- and most importantly, is a winner. Granted, foot speed is an issue, but less so if paired with Kesler. Cap hit should be low as well. Make it happen MG.
He would balance the team out well at forward. Raymond out, Samuelsson in. VAN would be one of the bigger teams at forward if that happened.
Another strong target is Jason Garrison from FLA as well. Plays left and right side, great shot. If he makes it to FA, Canucks should make a strong pitch. Then they can deal Ballard to NYI for futures...
