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03-24-2012, 11:40 PM
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I'd kind of like it more if it read like this:
SeedTeam In SeedGRPTSTotal Possible PointsPoints Needed to Clinch Seed
1NYR710111512
2BOS8891054 (105 - 101)
3FLA8861043 (104 - 101)
4PIT89811312 (113-101)
5PHI7961109 (110-101)
6NJD790104Clinched

Just so it shows how many points the Rangers need so that the teams below them can no longer catch them.

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Alright I'll put it in now. But to clinch a number two or three seed, we need to use Pittsburgh's total possible points because they have more points than Boston and Florida, who will automatically get a top-3 spot.

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03-25-2012, 10:15 PM
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Pittsburgh can get to 114...

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03-25-2012, 10:17 PM
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Pittsburgh can get to 114...
I know, but I've been getting a lot of complaints about our magic number, so I'm now assuming we beat Pittsburgh, and in overtime.

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03-25-2012, 10:22 PM
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Screw the haters. This kind of thing isn't interpretation... it's math. The numbers could change drastically after the Penguins game, but you should wait to update that change when we have the results.

Maybe you just shouldn't worry about the Rangers number of possible points since they're the team we're focused on.

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03-25-2012, 10:27 PM
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Screw the haters. This kind of thing isn't interpretation... it's math. The numbers could change drastically after the Penguins game, but you should wait to update that change when we have the results.

Maybe you just shouldn't worry about the Rangers number of possible points since they're the team we're focused on.
I know, but our magic number would be wrong since we still have a game left with Pittsburgh.

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03-25-2012, 10:32 PM
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We also have a game left against Philadelphia.

The magic number isn't wrong or right. It's a mathematical approximation that changes daily. Changing the data to suit... anything... is defeating the purpose.

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03-25-2012, 10:46 PM
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I'd kind of like it more if it read like this:
SeedTeam In SeedGRPTSTotal Possible PointsPoints Needed to Clinch Seed
1NYR710111512
2BOS8891054 (105 - 101)
3FLA8861043 (104 - 101)
4PIT89811312 (113-101)
5PHI7961109 (110-101)
6NJD790104Clinched

Just so it shows how many points the Rangers need so that the teams below them can no longer catch them.
Are you sure about that 12 number. If our 1 loss is against Pittsburgh in regulation wouldn't we lose the #1 seed if Pittsburgh wins out?

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Okay, I switched it back to how I had it before.

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Gonna be a crazy final 8 games of the season, we need the Isles to come up huge on that home and home with Pitt, hope they play them as hard as they play us.

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We also have a game left against Philadelphia.

The magic number isn't wrong or right. It's a mathematical approximation that changes daily. Changing the data to suit... anything... is defeating the purpose.
My thoughts exactly.

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The idea of the magic number is that it's the cumulative amount of points (earned or lost by the opponent) needed to clinch.

If a team can tie, then you have to take tie-breakers into account.

Tiebreaker #1 is ROW

If the Rangers and Pens tied in points, barring some crazy outcome where the Rangers win 5 of the 7 remaining games in SO and the Pens win 0 games in SO, the Rangers will win the tie-breaker. So even if the two teams win every game and the Pens beat the Rangers in OT in the h-t-h game, the Rangers would still win the tie-breaker. Therefore, if both teams finished with 114 points, the Rangers would clinch #1. So here we can safely say that the Rangers magic number for #1 is 13 instead of 14.

Right now the Rangers and Flyers have the same amount of SOW and the Rangers obviously own the Flyers in head-to-head. So as long as the Rangers don't win any additional games in SO than the Flyers, then they control the tie-breaker.

Head-to-Head only applies when the two teams are tied in both points and ROW. So right now, the Rangers are at an advantage...

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Probably gonna need 3 wins this week in order to keep holding off Pittsburgh. Hopefully the Pens drop a point or two. I could see the Isles taking them to OT one of the games, and Buffalo is fighting for their playoff lives.

The 3 teams the Rangers face are all basically out of the playoff picture (If Winnipeg loses to Ottawa tonight, they're done). Time to hunker down and start playing some playoff hockey.

At minimum need 5 points out of these 3 games.

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Updated to include games on 3/27.

We now clinched a seed no lower than 5th.

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pens can no longer catch us in regulation wins, in reference to them finishing tied with us in points at the end of the season. means the pens have to gain 4 points on us in 6 games. 4-1-1 for us to finish the season puts us at 112 points and guarantees 1st in the conference.

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03-27-2012, 10:00 PM
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With Florida not being able to catch us, does that mean the Rangers can't be the 3? Think the same with the 2 seed with Boston if the Rangers get 2 more points or Boston loses 2 more points. Looking like it's going to be the 1 or 4 with an slim chance at the 5 seed. At least the Flyers and Pens play each other twice I think which is good, no 3 point games!

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With Florida not being able to catch us, does that mean the Rangers can't be the 3? Think the same with the 2 seed with Boston if the Rangers get 2 more points or Boston loses 2 more points. Looking like it's going to be the 1 or 4 with an slim chance at the 5 seed. At least the Flyers and Pens play each other twice I think which is good, no 3 point games!
Yep. I added it to the table.

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Yep. I added it to the table.
Cool, loving this chart the past month man, nice job, thanks for updating it so fast.

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Cool, loving this chart the past month man, nice job, thanks for updating it so fast.
Thanks, and no problem. I usually update it around midnight, but since we had a late game and it was pretty clear who would win the St. Louis game, I updated it a little while ago. I also do it quicker once we clinch higher seeds because I don't have to account for more teams who can't catch us.

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According to the main magic number thread, Major Bee stated that if the Rangers win tomorrow they clinch the Atlantuc, and the East.

That can't be right.

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According to the main magic number thread, Major Bee stated that if the Rangers win tomorrow they clinch the Atlantuc, and the East.

That can't be right.
No, he said if we win, whoever wins the Atlantic will clinch the number one seed in the conference.

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No, he said if we win, whoever wins the Atlantic will clinch the number one seed in the conference.
Ohh I see that now lol.

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On the original post it says 12 points to win the President's trophy, but it should be 12 points to win the conference.

It is going to be 13 points to win the President's trophy because St. Louis has 105 pts in 77 games. The most they can attain is 115 points - our 103 points = 12 points, however... I believe St. Louis has us beat in the season series (only played them once I think) so we cannot tie with them.

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On the original post it says 12 points to win the President's trophy, but it should be 12 points to win the conference.

It is going to be 13 points to win the President's trophy because St. Louis has 105 pts in 77 games. The most they can attain is 115 points - our 103 points = 12 points, however... I believe St. Louis has us beat in the season series (only played them once I think) so we cannot tie with them.
The Rangers and Blues both have 44 ROW's with the aRangers playing one less game so far. That is the first tie breaker. So if all things remained constant until the end of the season and the Rangers and Blues finished tied in points, the Rangers would have more ROW's, and win the Presidents trophy.

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Here's an interesting way to look at it.

If the Rangers match the Penguins record for the next 4 games leading up to the head-to-head a week from tomorrow... the Rangers would only need to get to OT in that game to clinch the seed.

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