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02-06-2012, 10:36 PM
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Is Michalek the new Fisher?

Seems like MM is just as streaky and could be leaving us wanting more. I think he will be lucky to score 30 at this pace.

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9MM is more skilled. But I do see the similarities in the kinds of streaks they both go on..

Also, beauty spelling of his name.

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The vast majority of NHL players are inconsistent.

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9MM is more skilled. But I do see the similarities in the kinds of streaks they both go on..

Also, beauty spelling of his name.
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If Fisher had transitioned to the wing--which his skill-set was much better suited for--I would have had far fewer problems with Fish. Michalek plays where Fisher should have, as a 2nd line scoring winger, with speed. Both play a north-south game without much playmaking.

The whole team's been on a cold-streak lately, Michalek's has just been a bit longer. It seems like injury really throws his timing off.

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Michalek is a 2nd line winger, Fisher wasn't a 2nd line centre. There's a difference. I'd much rather my winger be streaky than one of the most vital positions in the game.

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It seems like injury really throws his timing off.
Or gives him an excuse why his scoring is down. Nothing thus far has shown him to be able to handle pressure and perform.

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If a player isn't streaky, and consistently puts up points, that player is elite and gets paid accordingly. Michalek and Fisher, like 90% of nhl players, score points inconsistently, but are integral players to their respective teams because of the other things they bring (speed, net presence, leadership etc.)

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02-06-2012, 10:59 PM
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Fisher is a better puck handler and Michalek has better finish around the net. Fisher is more physical.

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Michalek is a 2nd line winger, Fisher wasn't a 2nd line centre. There's a difference. I'd much rather my winger be streaky than one of the most vital positions in the game.
Fisher produced like a 2nd line centre every year except 2008-09 and 2010-11 when every player on the team had bad numbers. And he's doing it again this year.

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Fisher is a better puck handler and Michalek has better finish around the net. Fisher is more physical.



Fisher produced like a 2nd line centre every year except 2008-09 and 2010-11 when every player on the team had bad numbers. And he's doing it again this year.
Fisher Always finished in like the top 60 in scoring. Never scored enough to deserve the job.

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Fisher Always finished in like the top 60 in scoring. Never scored enough to deserve the job.
That's 2C territory.

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Fisher is a better puck handler
No, they're both pretty much equal at being below average.

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Fisher Always finished in like the top 60 in scoring. Never scored enough to deserve the job.
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No, they're both pretty much equal at being below average.
Fisher could actually skate it through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone. Michalek makes some occasional good net drives but hardly ever handles the puck and doesn't hold on to it for long.

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That's 2C territory.
I was referring to other centers in the league and not the league as a whole.

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Fisher would actually skate it through the neutral zone with his head down and put it into the goalies chest. Michalek makes some occasional good net drives but hardly ever handles the puck and doesn't hold on to it for long.
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While Michalek is a black hole offensively everytime he has to do more than a tap in around the net. And Fisher kept his head up. Point is Fisher is a better puck handler.

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This. not to mention, you cant just look at scoring rank.... Fisher was more productive in his days as a 3rd line C than as a 2nd line C. But I guess that stat means nothing, right?

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This. not to mention, you cant just look at scoring rank.... Fisher was more productive in his days as a 3rd line C than as a 2nd line C. But I guess that stat means nothing, right?
Fisher hasn't been a 3rd line centre since pre-lockout. He had his best seasons after the lockout.

Fisher is extremely underrated. He was the team's 4th best forward for a while and the team had good seasons with him in that position.

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We went to the Cup Finals with Fisher as our 2C. THE CUP FINALS. Many of you guys expect our 2C to produce like a 1C. Unfortunately, adding a second #1C is hard, especially for a team that has consistently lacked other big pieces (no true #1D since the 07 Cup Run, no true #1G since Emery in the Cup run).

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Fisher hasn't been a 3rd line centre since pre-lockout. He had his best seasons after the lockout.
Not by much. Our offense went through the roof after the lockout and he improved marginally. The team had no other choice at that position so we dealt with it.

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We went to the Cup Finals with Fisher as our 2C. THE CUP FINALS. Many of you guys expect our 2C to produce like a 1C. Unfortunately, adding a second #1C is hard, especially for a team that has consistently lacked other big pieces (no true #1D since the 07 Cup Run, no true #1G since Emery in the Cup run).
We had the leagues best 1st line and 3 really good 3rd lines.

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Not by much. Our offense went through the roof after the lockout and he improved marginally. The team had no other choice at that position so we dealt with it.
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We had the leagues best 1st line and 3 really good 3rd lines.
44th in league scoring in 06-07 and missed 14 games. He was on pace to match Getzlaf's production that year. Note that Getzlaf was Anaheim's #2C. So if you are really telling me that Mike Fisher wasn't a legit #2C the year we went to the Finals, then Anaheim also won the Cup without a #2C.

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I was referring to other centers in the league and not the league as a whole.
Missed this one.

How many centers does it take to fill each team's top two center positions? Sixty. So if Fisher finishes top-60 amongst centers in points, that means he was producing like a #2 center.

I do understand though that most people think a 2C should be a playmaking guy. To be honest, I think a line with a powerforward center can be successful if you have a strong playmaking winger. Fisher and Kovalev, for example, seemed to gel because Kovalev could make plays while Fisher and the other winger (typically Foligno) did the dirty work and the stuff wingers usually do.

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There is something about watching Michalek play that makes me cringe.... He is never under control(him or puck).. The puck is always bobbling away...his shots are always fluttering and whenever he scores it suprises me....

Fisher was a better skater(stronger), WAY more physical, had a better shot, had better puck skills....He was our 2nd line center but I always saw him as more of a winger... His shot/release could have been deadly...

For as bad of a playmaker people make Fisher out to be, he has put up WAY more assists in the last 2.5 seasons than MM.... Michalek with 37...Fisher with 61

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There is something about watching Michalek play that makes me cringe.... He is never under control(him or puck).. The puck is always bobbling away...his shots are always fluttering and whenever he scores it suprises me....

Fisher was a better skater(stronger), WAY more physical, had a better shot, had better puck skills....He was our 2nd line center but I always saw him as more of a winger... His shot/release could have been deadly...

For as bad of a playmaker people make Fisher out to be, he has put up WAY more assists in the last 2.5 seasons than MM.... Michalek with 37...Fisher with 61
Agree with this but I never saw Fisher as winger. Fisher was/is truly Kesler lite with less offense/skill. So tenacious with a motor that never quits. That's so valuable in the defensive zone and you don't want that guy waiting at the points. Very good puck handler through the neutral too, helped the transition game. He was never a natural playmaker but lots of guys play his style effectively at centre.

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