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03-01-2012, 06:20 PM
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You make an interesting point Von Ron... I don't know the answer to that.

Maybe it depends on whether it's a 1 or 2-way deal (2 in this case, obviously)?
You can't sign a one-way entry level deal. By default, if a player is aged between 18-21, the length is set at three years. 22-23 is two years, and 24 is one year.

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The new Joey Haddad?

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The new Joey Haddad?
with worse hands too haha

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I was hoping this guy could really go (fight), but from the sounds of it I guess not huh?

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I was hoping this guy could really go (fight), but from the sounds of it I guess not huh?
You can teach technique, he has the 2 things you can't teach in size and fearlessness. If he's willing to drop the gloves knowing that he'll likely get his head pounded in, give him a year or two with Schnell/Mac/whoever.

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You can't sign a one-way entry level deal. By default, if a player is aged between 18-21, the length is set at three years. 22-23 is two years, and 24 is one year.
So you're saying Crosby and Malkin when they started, were on two-way deals?

Or does the phrase "entry level" not apply to every rookie player's first contract?

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03-01-2012, 10:03 PM
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So you're saying Crosby and Malkin when they started, were on two-way deals?

Or does the phrase "entry level" not apply to every rookie player's first contract?
Two way just means you make a different salary if you are in the minors IIRC.

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The new Joey Haddad?
That's what it sounds like. Hopefully he pans out more like Zack Sill has thus far.

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So you're saying Crosby and Malkin when they started, were on two-way deals?

Or does the phrase "entry level" not apply to every rookie player's first contract?
1. Yes
2. No, unless they're 25 or older.

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Seems pretty Meh to me.
Should be better undrafted prospects to sign tbh. Rather usa a contract spot on someone that at least has the chance to be a scorer in the big league than someone described as Adams and Haddad....

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1. Yes
2. No, unless they're 25 or older.
Interesting. I thought some rookies (like the blue chip picks that make the team right away) were given guaranteed 1 way contracts, while others the team is less certain about get two-way deals.

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Interesting. I thought some rookies (like the blue chip picks that make the team right away) were given guaranteed 1 way contracts, while others the team is less certain about get two-way deals.
Two-way just means you get one salary for the NHL, one for the AHL. It's really inconsequential for the blue-chip guys because if they don't start in the NHL, they end up back at Junior. Waiver eligibility has very little to do with the contract you sign.

This is quite a good tool for working out whether someone has to pass through waivers or not.

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Two-way just means you get one salary for the NHL, one for the AHL. It's really inconsequential for the blue-chip guys because if they don't start in the NHL, they end up back at Junior. Waiver eligibility has very little to do with the contract you sign.

This is quite a good tool for working out whether someone has to pass through waivers or not.
I believe all EL contracts are two way.

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All ELCs are 2-way, no exceptions. Length is also mandated: 17-21 means 3 years, 22-23 is 2 years, 24 is 1 year. But if the player is 25 or older he can be signed to a standard contract.

As for Payerl, found this on Brock's OHL Prospects page, in a top 10 list of "overage players worth signing":

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5. Adam Payerl - Belleville Bulls
From the way things were going for him during his stint at Columbus' training camp this offseason, I figured he'd be getting a contract before the season started. While his offensive numbers don't jump out at you, it's all the other things about him that will likely interest NHL or AHL teams. He can play any forward position and is a big body who can take the puck to the net. He'll stick up for his teammates, forecheck hard and plays both ends of the ice pretty well. His skating has improved over his OHL career too. He could certainly make a good role player at the next level.

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I think he has the same upside as someone like Sill. Maybe a little better if he can carve out a niche in the AHL as a hard nosed Engelland type on forward. You never know with these things, you assume a guy will be a depth AHL player and he grows into something more. He's still fairly young, it's all on him to work hard enough to make something out of this opportunity.

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I believe all EL contracts are two way.
They are, but it just means they get paid less in the AHL than in the NHL.

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They spelled Player wrong...

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Seeing other teams sign guys like Brendan Shinnimin makes me jealous. But i guess no scoring wingers wants to sign here seeing we are the grinders paradise.

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Seeing other teams sign guys like Brendan Shinnimin makes me jealous. But i guess no scoring wingers wants to sign here seeing we are the grinders paradise.
It's not like Shinnimin is afraid to get dirty either.


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Ah yes, the prestigious 'highest scorer in WHL' title. The kiss of death to just about any prospect's career.

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Ah yes, the prestigious 'highest scorer in WHL' title. The kiss of death to just about any prospect's career.
since 2000 Troy Brouwer's probably the most impressive guy to win that trophy, if you back to 1990 then Ray Whitney's the best by quite some distance. Doesn't stack up very well against the guys who have won the Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (OHL) or the Jean Beliveau Trophy (QMJHL).

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We have a kid here in northern Jersey absolutely destoying D2 and actually had a D1 coach asking "how did you get him". I think he's going to go euro but its clearly a case of scouts not seeing this kid. Easily one of the best players coming out of NJ and outscored JVR at one level.

I've played with some players that have gotten their foot in the door and gotten some games in with WB/ Wheel. This kid is easily better then them. Does anyone know how I can get this kid a camp invite or at least a mention? Scout twitter account?

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