Difference in goals between hodgson and the team could have meant many things so it's still unclear whether or not hodgson was a selfish player or not. It could be that hodgson wanted more ice time because he thought he deserved it, or because he felt he was playing better than certain players (Kesler and even at times the 4th line got more minutes than cody) where the latter is more reasonable and I wouldn't consider greedy.
Just because Henrik and Kesler won trophies is not a valid point for not giving cody a fair share of the minutes. Kesler was and still is playing horrible on even strength which consists of doing exactly what raymond does without falling down and shooting the puck wide with his wrister. The upside is that hes good defensively but most players on the canucks are defensively responsible and where kesler excels defensively is on the PK and he`s usually the high man on even strength and first or second out of the zone anyways and has most of his time with edler/salo pairing or hamhuis/bieksa. The canucks probably viewed giving cody more ice time as developmental rather than helping the team but IMO thats not the case.
This meeting...if it happened, could have been about anything. I'm sure ice time could have been part of the discussion, but there are countless other things that the meeting could have entailed. Concerns about his defensive play, his recent lack of offense, his home life, his health, AV asking him to pick up his laundry. Countless things.
We'll talk when you gimme my son some ice-time ok?
Why the focus on Hodgson only over the last month or two though? Are his full season numbers not roughly in line with what would be expected from his minutes?
He was having trouble controlling the play over the last while, but he was hardly alone. This was a team that had a run where they were outshot in 17 of 23 games from late December to mid February.
That run led to a concerted team effort to tighten up defensively. I remember Bieksa addressing this in a recent interview but I do not care to find a link. It seems evident that Cody's role on the third line was not conducive to a teamwide defensive focus, at least in the eyes of management. Clearly the team wanted to go one way - bigger and more defensive - while Cody wanted things to stay the same - offensive and skilled - and more of it for that matter. I imagine those are the different goals that Winter described.
That run led to a concerted team effort to tighten up defensively. I remember Bieksa addressing this in a recent interview but I do not care to find a link. It seems evident that Cody's role on the third line was not conducive to a teamwide defensive focus, at least in the eyes of management. Clearly the team wanted to go one way - bigger and more defensive - while Cody wanted things to stay the same - offensive and skilled - and more of it for that matter. I imagine those are the different goals that Winter described.
Well I guess that bigger and more defensive didn't work because now they're getting a bunch of 1-1 overtime loss games. Look at boston, they got like 3 lines that can score and there wasn't a problem, every line is defensively responsible and they had like 6 centers on their team.
Well I guess that bigger and more defensive didn't work because now they're getting a bunch of 1-1 overtime loss games. Look at boston, they got like 3 lines that can score and there wasn't a problem, every line is defensively responsible and they had like 6 centers on their team.
Stupid Canucks. Only leading the league, with 13 of their remaining 18 games at home. Clearly being big and defensive is a dead end. They should try being small and porous.
This is a brutal trade. Period. The timing, the player we got back... its silly.
If you REALLY want to move one of the most coveted rookies in the MOST coveted position wait till the summer package him up with schneider and get pretty much what ever you want.
Im pretty sure you could send both to TO for schenn and there first...
Package them with a 1st and w/e salary dump if weber wont sign and nashville will move him.
Honestly you have two blue chip prospects and a team in first that lost game 7.. you trade one of them for a downgrade in value... if you think kassian will return more than coho your nuts.
MG fell on his head and will never hear the end of this trade. Count on it.
Stupid Canucks. Only leading the league, with 13 of their remaining 18 games at home. Clearly being big and defensive is a dead end. They should try being small and porous.
lol nice try
anyways, he said the interview was recent and if their system changed recently then guess how the games have been going recently? none of the games the canucks dominated except 1 or 2 against non playoff teams (one being the leafs lolloloolol) and a bunch of shootout wins and wins while playing even with or worse than the other team. Instead of reverting the change they chose to continue downward by trading away scoring depth?
This is a brutal trade. Period. The timing, the player we got back... its silly.
If you REALLY want to move one of the most coveted rookies in the MOST coveted position wait till the summer package him up with schneider and get pretty much what ever you want.
Im pretty sure you could send both to TO for schenn and there first...
Package them with a 1st and w/e salary dump if weber wont sign and nashville will move him.
Honestly you have two blue chip prospects and a team in first that lost game 7.. you trade one of them for a downgrade in value... if you think kassian will return more than coho your nuts.
MG fell on his head and will never hear the end of this trade. Count on it.
Everyone is a winner in this deal but the topic is about the departure of Cody Hodgson.
He seems like a great kid during his interviews, but I can't be the only one who is happy to see us move on from all this drama and strife that revolve around every single thing that happened with him, can I?
I mean seriously, who is to say that his back doesn't blow out a year down the road in Buffalo? I'm just hoping that this can be a win/win trade where both teams end up better because of it, but it seems like most of the sensationalist posters aren't considering that Hodgson has just as much (if not more) likelihood of flaming out that Kassian does.
Neither guy is a sure thing, despite Cody playing regularly in the NHL this season, as many have noticed, he's played very sheltered minutes and still lacks in some areas.
Then that is on Cody Hodgson who is an adult - he is 22 years old.
Regardless, it doesn't take away from the fact that, despite him wanting to stay, the Hodgson camp was looking to antagonize the Canucks in hopes of making them trade him. Winter even admitted as much in that tweet. Thus the whole "going behind his back" phrase Tiranis pointed out.
Regardless, it doesn't take away from the fact that, despite him wanting to stay, the Hodgson camp was looking to antagonize the Canucks in hopes of making them trade him. Winter even admitted as much in that tweet. Thus the whole "going behind his back" phrase Tiranis pointed out.
It wasn't behind his back at all.
Agents represent their clients interests, if they don't do that they get fired. Has Rich WInter been fired yet?
I'm pretty sure AV said the meeting didn't happen. He said we played in new jersey friday and travelled saturday to play in dallas sunday, so a meeting saturday wouldn't of happened.
it kinda sounds like rich winters is just trying to stir up controversy for no real reason.
He seems like a great kid during his interviews, but I can't be the only one who is happy to see us move on from all this drama and strife that revolve around every single thing that happened with him, can I?
I mean seriously, who is to say that his back doesn't blow out a year down the road in Buffalo? I'm just hoping that this can be a win/win trade where both teams end up better because of it, but it seems like most of the sensationalist posters aren't considering that Hodgson has just as much (if not more) likelihood of flaming out that Kassian does.
Neither guy is a sure thing, despite Cody playing regularly in the NHL this season, as many have noticed, he's played very sheltered minutes and still lacks in some areas.
Perish the thought. Even if I somehow looked into the future and saw us losing this trade long-term, I'd never wish for that to happen. Not saying you wanted that, of course.
at his 2nd nhl training camp he was the canucks final cut and sent back to brampton in the ohl
that day when he is given the news by av that he is being sent back he says that he has a back problem
why didnt he mention anything about his back during the pre season ,he played in all the games.
2 canuck doctors find nothing wrong with his back
some doctor in cleveland that cody hodgson sourced says he has a herniated disk
1 year later another doctor says there never was a herniated disk just a bruised muscle
my question is did the doctor in cleveland lie about the herniated disk or is just incompetent
all sounds fishy to me
Hodgson did mention it several times during training camp and he was not cleared for contact until the main training camp was under way. There were a number of articles on this: http://www.kelowna.com/2009/09/25/co...anaheim-ducks/
Actually on a couple of occasions during camp Hodgson stated shortly after being cleared for contact he was having problems skating - no "explosiveness" in one of his legs due to continuing nerve damage from his back injury.
It seemed Hodgson had sciatic nerve problems causing weakness in his leg and this resulted in the inability to use "quick twitch" muscles or as he said "no pop". This was likely caused by the bulging disc compressing the nerve. Nerves will re-grow but they take time. I have been through that myself when I had a cervical disc injury and suffered nerve damage.
"There's obvious stiffness and all the tension comes with it, but it's just my power — it's not there," said the 19-year-old Hodgson, who finished a plus-2 but didn't have a shot on goal.
"The quick-twitch muscle needs to regrow and I'm trying to get so I can explode again. That's the most difficult part. I see an opening and I just can't get to it. Once I'm going I'm fine and I have the top-end speed.
"But the first two or three steps, there's no pop. The left leg has it, but with the right leg, there's no explosiveness yet."
The Canucks stubbornly insisted that Hodgson was not injured and it was only a performance issue. They painted themselves into a corner. I have been critical of the Canucks medical staff in the past on this and on Mitchell's injury. If the medical staff found him to be injured then he could not have been sent back to junior and he would have been on the roster and counting against the Canucks salary cap.
Dr. Anthony Miniacci was the doctor Hodgson consulted. He is a Canadian from Toronto, educated in Canada and was head of sports medicine at Toronto Western Hospital and the University of Toronto before taking on the position of head of the prestigious Cleveland Clinic which also has a clinic in Toronto.
Dr Miniacci was also the chief medical consultant for the NHLPA. He has been and remains the Orthopaedic Consultant to the Toronto Blue Jays since 1995 as well as Head Team Physician for the Cleveland Browns Football Club from 2003-2009.
He found nerve damage and a bulging disc that was treated. Once that was cleared up there was a further injury discovered.
I think it's funny how some flipped their opinion on Cody 180 degrees. From epitome of class to a villain.
He's a great teammate. On the day of the trade he was practicing with a makeshift "C" on his jersey made by his teammates. And no, it's not because they don't like Henrik.
Maybe there's no need to find someone to blame. Maybe it's a trade that made sense for both sides. Maybe it's hockey.
