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03-01-2012, 06:03 PM
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100 % you can get luke schenn for CH.
that is a 22 year old 5th overall pick that has 200 + games in the hardest city in the world to play for.

ID love a few leaf fans on here to tell me they wouldnt make this deal.
Zach Kassian has much much better upside than Luke Schenn.

Luke Schenn's contract is also atrocious.

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I just wish we got something a little more useful than Gragnani back in the deal, like Jordan Leopold somehow.

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Last year of OHL.

Kassian 26g 51a 77. +10
CH 43g 49A 92. +41

The ONLY thing kassian has over CH is size. Cody has been a leader at every level of competition. He has been touted as a natural leader and great locker room guy for years.

One is the 4th leading scorer in the NHL for his team and is in the calder race.
He spends his summer in the hardest offseasn camp to get his game complete at the NHL level.

ill bet you money if you offer kassian and a second for coho back buffalo hangs up laughing. We got robbed, period.

How often do you hear nhl gms venting frustration a player was unavailable then got traded.

Im a die hard canuck fan but this has 100 % cost MG a supporter.
I am sure that is going to keep Mike Gillis up nights.

Kassian is a rookie pro who has played more NHL games than Hodgson in his rookie year and scored more points.

In 52 AHL games as a rookie pro Hodgson put up 17G 13A 30Pts

In 30 AHL games as a rookie pro Kassian has put up 15G 11A 26Pts

Kassian won a Memorial Cup, played on Canada's WJC under 20 and under 18 teams.

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You don't think they could get more than Zack Kassian for him?
Nope.

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I just wish we got something a little more useful than Gragnani back in the deal, like Jordan Leopold somehow.
How about you wait until you watch him in a Canuck uniform for a while first

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Last year of OHL.

Kassian 26g 51a 77. +10
CH 43g 49A 92. +41

The ONLY thing kassian has over CH is size. Cody has been a leader at every level of competition. He has been touted as a natural leader and great locker room guy for years.

One is the 4th leading scorer in the NHL for his team and is in the calder race.
He spends his summer in the hardest offseasn camp to get his game complete at the NHL level.

ill bet you money if you offer kassian and a second for coho back buffalo hangs up laughing. We got robbed, period.

How often do you hear nhl gms venting frustration a player was unavailable then got traded.

Im a die hard canuck fan but this has 100 % cost MG a supporter.
Guess who's stats these are from his last year in the WHL:

70gp 30g 38a 68p 147pim 32+/-

I don't understand the point of comparing junior statistics. They have little relevance. As i said in another thread, they are a crude abstraction which ignores so many other critically important factors.

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Last year of OHL.

Kassian 26g 51a 77. +10
CH 43g 49A 92. +41

The ONLY thing kassian has over CH is size. Cody has been a leader at every level of competition. He has been touted as a natural leader and great locker room guy for years.

One is the 4th leading scorer in the NHL for his team and is in the calder race.
He spends his summer in the hardest offseasn camp to get his game complete at the NHL level.

ill bet you money if you offer kassian and a second for coho back buffalo hangs up laughing. We got robbed, period.

How often do you hear nhl gms venting frustration a player was unavailable then got traded.

Im a die hard canuck fan but this has 100 % cost MG a supporter.
what gm vented ?

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03-01-2012, 06:12 PM
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what gm vented ?
Burkie *****ed through Nonis through Darren Dreger. They clearly don't have anything that Gillis was looking for so why would he talk to him? It's just one of those Burke tricks to make it look like he was busy when he accomplished nothing.

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Jeff Carter's last junior year was: 55GP-34G-40A-74P and yet Cody will be lucky to ever score 46 goals in his career, or even 36.

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Now that CoHo has moved on the Gollum has a new stick to stir the pot.

To be honest here, I think a lot of guys have had enough of Kesler as well. He's virtually impossible to play with.
by Tony Gallagher 2:31 PM
LOL

What a joke. Does Mr Gallagher realize that Mason Raymond's career stats are inflated thus far thanks to Ryan Kesler? Does he realize that Ryan Kesler has helped get David Booth's career back on track as well?

This guy never makes any sense.

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How about you wait until you watch him in a Canuck uniform for a while first
We really needed a solid two way or defensive first D though and we acquire what looks to be a gambler.

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You don't think they could get more than Zack Kassian for him?
They did.

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We really needed a solid two way or defensive first D though and we acquire what looks to be a gambler.
I think people think that because we have a bunch of offensive D's.. but i think our team prefers the puck moving D that are responsible in their own end and if he could have 6 of those, he would

Plus gragnani is young and has some upside and is on a cheap contract and he does fit what they want and happened to be on the team that they were trading with

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I kind of just wish Hodgson had stuck with Meehan, despite being a money grabber. Meehan might be a dick, but I doubt he'd be getting in squabbles with fans over Twitter and fudging some of his facts to prove a point.

Whether CoHo wanted to go or not, it didn't have to be made such an issue if Winter had just kept his stupid comments to himself, or even to a minimum. "Third time's the charm"? "Nope"? Evading actually answering questions when he put himself in the spot light directly to do so? Sounds like something a petulant middle schooler would do. Be a professional and say that it was a damn hockey trade and that Hodgson is excited about a new opportunity. You don't need to stir the **** pot by creating rumours that hurt Hodgson's image. Because that's what he's doing, it's not about what we think about Winter, it's how he's allowing his client to be portrayed-- selfish.

Also, your ****ing Twitter handle is @HockeyAgentDad. My dog has puked up things more creative or professional than that.

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We don't have any other Winter clients, do we?

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We don't have any other Winter clients, do we?
No. Shane O'Brien was one though...

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No. Shane O'Brien was one though...
I was looking through the list of his clients and they were pretty much entirely players I don't much care for. To put it nicely.

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100 % you can get luke schenn for CH.
that is a 22 year old 5th overall pick that has 200 + games in the hardest city in the world to play for.

ID love a few leaf fans on here to tell me they wouldnt make this deal.
Schenn has been terrible this year.

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Last year of OHL.

Kassian 26g 51a 77. +10
CH 43g 49A 92. +41

The ONLY thing kassian has over CH is size. Cody has been a leader at every level of competition. He has been touted as a natural leader and great locker room guy for years.

One is the 4th leading scorer in the NHL for his team and is in the calder race.
He spends his summer in the hardest offseasn camp to get his game complete at the NHL level.

ill bet you money if you offer kassian and a second for coho back buffalo hangs up laughing. We got robbed, period.

How often do you hear nhl gms venting frustration a player was unavailable then got traded.

Im a die hard canuck fan but this has 100 % cost MG a supporter.
Ah yes Junior stats the be all and end all when determining upside. Hodgson did have Matt Duchene to play with on the PP and what not, but hey no sense taking into account who someone has to play with. Kassian was the top scoring forward on his team. Is 15 points that big of a difference?

Check out these stats of players last year in junior. See if you can figure them out (hint: they are all considered power forwards and all currently play in the NHL. ONe is a first overall pick).

70GP 30G 38A 68Pts (under a point per game btw)
54GP 32G 40A 72Pts
54GP 33G 35A 68Pts
68GP 41G 44A 85Pts
62GP 27G 55A 82Pts
61GP 36G 46A 82Pts
51GP 29G 25A 54Pts
38GP 13G 29A 42Pts (WCHA)
43GP 18G 30A 48 Pts

How are Kassian's stats anything different.

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"AV said he didn't recall a Saturday meeting with Cody. Your take?"


Ritch Winter Ritch Winter ‏ @HockeyAgentDad

@JamiesonCanucks "He didn't recall. Pretty simple."
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It's just AV's way of politely saying, "I don't want to talk about this stuff publicly."

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Oh dear, someone should call the doctor-- it seems AV is suffering from early onset Alzheimers. He can't even remember something that happened less than a week ago.

This Winter dude is all kinds of WTF.

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100 % you can get luke schenn for CH.
that is a 22 year old 5th overall pick that has 200 + games in the hardest city in the world to play for.

ID love a few leaf fans on here to tell me they wouldnt make this deal.
Salary cap says hi. Scheen is signed for 5 years @ 3.6mil each. He's playing like a bottom pairing dman and on the 'nucks team, his role would be the same as Gragnani, Rome, Tanev, etc for this season and possible next few years.

Just cause he's a 5th overall pick doesn't really mean a whole lot. I.e. Filatov was 6th overall but given a do-over right now, he probably wouldn't be picked till the 2nd/3rd round as a project. Eberle would also not have gone 22nd and instead in the top 10 (ahead of hodgson).

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There's no doubt there's a peculiar stench about the trade.

This might be a completely different situation I'm sure, but look no further than the Canucks' treatment/handling of other current top-end prospects (Cory Schneider, Jordan Schroeder, Chris Tanev). To me, it looks tremendously out of character of my MG to trade a budding top-end prospect for another top-end prospect who hasn't shown anything at all (yet). And no, I don't count Grabner (who wasn't drafted by Gillis, was done in the off-season, and traded for a potential top 4 d-man in Ballard) or Patrick White.

The trade doesn't make any sense, to be honest. If you wanted to win *this year*, why would you trade a talent that is good right now vs. a talent that, maybe, will be good?

I can understand if this was done in the off-season, but it looks like Gillis knew that this sort of trade was coming, and if you accept that it is coming, then the sooner you do it, the better. I'm not a conspiracy-type person, but from what the agent/Gillis/AV are saying, something stinks.

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