blues fan here. as much as i love shatty, i voted ej. there are few guys who have the tools to be a top pairing guy. ej is one and has made great strides this year more than any since having that stellar rookie campaign and then a fluke golf cart accident.
as far as shatty goes solid all around game anchoring out #2 pairing...not much more you can ask for.
i like this trade more and more everyday for both sides....look at the prospects from the picks too....wow (siemans and rattie)
But to stay on topic, I really can't decide. I love Shatty, he's been lights out for us this year. His offensive numbers haven't come as I thought they would, but he's been picking it up lately. I don't think he's a number one dman, but he's an excellent number two who can quaterback any powerplay. Sometimes he tries to be too fancy or cute, which I think he can fix up as he gains more experience.
EJ is my favorite Av, and I really hated to see him go. He's definitely got number one potential, and has been playing like one lately I believe(I don't catch much Avs games). His main flaw was his tendency to do too much, and try and take over a game himself, but it's hard to bash him on this because it shows that he cares and is a fierce competitor.
I'm leaning toward Shatty but that's mostly because I'm a Blues fan and I love his mustache. Guy can grow a mean mustache.
EJ. By a good amount. I'd be more impressed with Shatty's point totals and +/- if he didn't play stupidly easy minutes and have a ridiculously unsustainable PDO.
EJ. By a good amount. I'd be more impressed with Shatty's point totals and +/- if he didn't play stupidly easy minutes and have a ridiculously unsustainable PDO.
How does Shatty play "ridiculously easy minutes"?
He's extremely mobile in the defensive zone, by design -- allowing the war-battered Jackman to simplify his game (extremely zone). He plays some of the most physically demanding minutes on the team...
Hitch requires more out of his d-men than most teams. Were you just guessing that he plays easy minutes?
Theyre 2 completely different defenceman dont know why you guys keep comparing them. But if i had to pick it would be EJ, I really like Shatty but dont think he'll ever be as good defensively as EJ. Defenseman are meant to mainly defend, and EJ is better at that. Offense comes second, which Shatty is better at
He's extremely mobile in the defensive zone, by design -- allowing the war-battered Jackman to simplify his game (extremely zone). He plays some of the most physically demanding minutes on the team...
Hitch requires more out of his d-men than most teams. Were you just guessing that he plays easy minutes?
Shatty plays the 5th weakest competition of Blues defensmen, and gets the highest offensive zone start percentage of any Blues defensemen. There is no denying that he plays the softest minutes on the St. Louis blueline.
A few Blues fans and probably some Avs fans are way too obsessed with this trade. It's over a year and posters like FilthyNote bring it up all the time still.
Shatty plays the 5th weakest competition of Blues defensmen, and gets the highest offensive zone start percentage of any Blues defensemen. There is no denying that he plays the softest minutes on the St. Louis blueline.
Shatty plays the 2nd most minutes of any d-men and is on the unit usually matched up against other team's first or second lines (which of those depends on overall size and speed of the line). I've watched every game. Where are you getting this intel? I hope it hasn't come from your own observations because you are, indeed, as wrong as you could possibly be.
Ask any Blues fan, his best attribute has been has defensive play this year.
As much as I love Shatty, gotta go with EJ (Avs fan).
EJ plays with more physicality and is better at D, Shatty has great vision and is better at O.
+/- shouldn't be taken into account considering the teams they are playing for. Although I want it to be known that since Jan or something, EJ has raised his from -13 or something like that.
Why the need to feel like one side "won" the trade? Both sides are happy with the return, and there is no real comparison to make between the defensemen when it comes to style.
Every fanbase is guilty of this to an extent. The last Blues trade I remember it happening with was the Boyes/Wideman trade, which was dragged up non-stop for over 2 years and beaten to death until Boyes turned to complete crap. This will probably drag on for a lot longer...
Shattenkirk is a smart offensive defenseman who will not be quite a liability defensively due to his hockey awareness. But he will never have the ability to match EJ defensively unless he becomes elite with his stick-work, and thus can never be more than a really good #3 or decent #2 defender going forward imo.
Watched them both a ton, but at this point I have no idea how Shattenkirk is even close in this poll.
Johnson by a wide margin, he's finally showing what he can be as a pro and he's been dynamite since about Christmas....arguably the Avs best player overall.
Shattenkirk is a special player, but he'll never be able to fill all the roles EJ already does...big, physical to go with the ability to skate and move the puck.
A few Blues fans and probably some Avs fans are way too obsessed with this trade. It's over a year and posters like FilthyNote bring it up all the time still.
Let it go.
Please show me the other times I brought it up.
I have replied to others who have brought it up - mostly Avs fans who bring it up anytime they decide to post in anything about the Blues because it's the first thing they think of when discussing anything about the Blues. I don't think I have either instigated a topic on this or brought it up when it wasn't part of what was being discussed before i posted this poll.
Either way, it's the people who think EJ will someday be good and think that Shatty is playing better than he actually is versus the people who call it like they see it as fact.
