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03-05-2012, 09:23 AM
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Hi everyone im just thinking about this one and would like to get some opinions

to Dal : Gionta , 4th rounder

to mtl : Ott , 2nd rounder


what do you think

thnx

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03-05-2012, 09:25 AM
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Hi everyone im just thinking about this one and would like to get some opinions

to Dal : Gionta , 4th rounder

to mtl : Ott , 2nd rounder


what do you think

thnx


Ott alone is worth at the very least that.

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Hi everyone im just thinking about this one and would like to get some opinions

to Dal : Gionta , 4th rounder

to mtl : Ott , 2nd rounder


what do you think

thnx
Ott > Gionta, so why is Dallas sending the better pick?

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Hi everyone im just thinking about this one and would like to get some opinions

to Dal : Gionta , 4th rounder

to mtl : Ott , 2nd rounder


what do you think

thnx
Rediculous! Ott is much better player and younger!

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Ah, yes. HFBoards, were bottom 6 grinders with "some" skills are better than clear top6 players who chip in 25-30 goals every year.

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Ah, yes. HFBoards, were bottom 6 grinders with "some" skills are better than clear top6 players who chip in 25-30 goals every year.
Haha seriously !

Ott is a good pest, he has SOME skill, but thats it !

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Ah, yes. HFBoards, were bottom 6 grinders with "some" skills are better than clear top6 players who chip in 25-30 goals every year.
In Ott's defense, he is a 2/3 guy with great faceoff skill, a good PKer, and is on pace for maybe 40 points. He's also 3 years younger and on a much better contract. Also not a midget.

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Ah, yes. HFBoards, were bottom 6 grinders with "some" skills are better than clear top6 players who chip in 25-30 goals every year.
This is your defense? A "clear top 6 player" on Montreal is bottom line player on most other NHL teams. Ott does not need to score to be successful and well Gionta does.

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Nah, I'd rather keep Gionta. He's a good leader and was our top scorer for the past 2 years.

And Gionta>>>>>>Ott

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Nah, I'd rather keep Gionta. He's a good leader and was our top scorer for the past 2 years.

And Gionta>>>>>>Ott
In goal scoring without a doubt but that is it!

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In goal scoring without a doubt but that is it!
and his defensive play is very underrated.

But sure. Ott is waayyyy better cause 20-30 goals a year mean nothing

again. Only on this site would a player with 7 straight 20+ goal seasons who is also defensively responsible be rated lower than a 3rd line grinder type (with some offensive ability---granted).

I am not denegrating Ott's value or skills. But what is something that gets more value in a trade? A grinder or the guy who will score you 25-35 goals?


You can argue he doesn't fill any need for your team. But be honest with yourselves.

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This is your defense? A "clear top 6 player" on Montreal is bottom line player on most other NHL teams. Ott does not need to score to be successful and well Gionta does.
Yes, let's forget the years he played in NJ, especially that season with 48 goals. Or his two years with Montreal, especially his first when, you know, Montreal lost in the Conference Finals and that he had 9 goals and 15 pts in 19 games.. Yes, he definately is a 4th line player.

Btw, when's the last time Dallas made the playoffs? Right, in 07-08. Gee, Ott must be an AHL on most other NHL teams.

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and his defensive play is very underrated.

But sure. Ott is waayyyy better cause 20-30 goals a year mean nothing

again. Only on this site would a player with 7 straight 20+ goal seasons who is also defensively responsible be rated lower than a 3rd line grinder type (with some offensive ability---granted).

I am not denegrating Ott's value or skills. But what is something that gets more value in a trade? A grinder or the guy who will score you 25-35 goals?


You can argue he doesn't fill any need for your team. But be honest with yourselves.
Ott is more physical
Ott will fight (at times)
Ott throws big hits
Ott is goon on the PK
Ott is goon on the PP
Ott is a leader on and off the ice
Ott is good for 40 pts a season

Gionta can score more goals than Ott


Ott's value is based off of more than his goal scoring. Gionta is a goal scorer and that is it. Hell the last 2 seasons he had 28 goals then 29 last season but finished with 46 points both seasons. Ott is more than a grinder who can just only provide some offense.

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Ott is more physical
Ott will fight (at times)
Ott throws big hits
Ott is goon on the PK
Ott is goon on the PP
Ott is a leader on and off the ice
Ott is good for 40 pts a season

Gionta can score more goals than Ott


Ott's value is based off of more than his goal scoring. Gionta is a goal scorer and that is it. Hell the last 2 seasons he had 28 goals then 29 last season but finished with 46 points both seasons. Ott is more than a grinder who can just only provide some offense.
You forgot that Gionta is defensively responsible.
Gionta is a leader (he's the freaking captain for crying out loud).
Gionta is good on the PK as well.
Gionta is smart player who despite his size issues will battle until he wins.

Both are good hockey players though and both are key components to a good team.

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Yes, let's forget the years he played in NJ, especially that season with 48 goals. Or his two years with Montreal, especially his first when, you know, Montreal lost in the Conference Finals. Yes, he definately is a 4th line player.

Btw, when's the last time Dallas made the playoffs? Right, in 07-08. Gee, Ott must be an AHL on most other NHL teams.
Are you mentally stuck in 2005? Im sure in all Ribeiro post you are the first to throw the diving clip in as well. Gionta has declined significantly and to argue that is stupid. Ott has never been a 30 goal scorer and it will remain like that.

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Are you mentally stuck in 2005? Im sure in all Ribeiro post you are the first to throw the diving clip in as well. Gionta has declined significantly and to argue that is stupid. Ott has never been a 30 goal scorer and it will remain like that.
Ribiero is a very good playmaking Centre of that there is NO doubt.

How has Gionta declined "significantly"? He had a bad injury this year but in the 2 seasons previous he scored 28 and 29 goals.

Gionta plays physical (he goes against Chara 6 times a year and wins most puck battles)
Ott will fight (at times)----good for him, he is a 3rd liner so?
Ott throws big hits-----Gionta body checks to gain control of the puck...and usually does

Ott is goon on the PK ----- Gionta is gooD on the PK
Ott is goon on the PP----- Gionta is gooD on the PP
Ott is a leader on and off the ice-----Gionta is the Captain
Ott is good for 40 pts a season-------Gionta is good for 50-60 pts/season


We can go on and on comparing two vastly different style of player.


We will agree to disagree on this but I'll take the slightly older Goal scoring bulldog leader over a 3rd/4th liner who fights sometimes. (And he should have popped Laviolette IMHO).

You keep your guy. And we will gladly keep ours. Deal?

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The real problem is that Dallas is building for the next 2-3 years, so they would target a player that would be Ott's age or younger and could develop alongside Benn and Eriksson. Gionta is not that piece, especially with the added 2nd.

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The real problem is that Dallas is building for the next 2-3 years, so they would target a player that would be Ott's age or younger and could develop alongside Benn and Eriksson. Gionta is not that piece, especially with the added 2nd.
See. Now that makes sense. Not this crap about comparing the two.

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So Dallas fans don't want to make the trade, can we move on?

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So Dallas fans don't want to make the trade, can we move on?
and Mr.Misty actually made a good argument as to why....the other dude....not so much

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and Mr.Misty actually made a good argument as to why....the other dude....not so much
Ott being a better player is not enough of a reason to prove the trade does not work? Like i have mentioned before Ott is not going to score 30 goals per season and that is fine based off his role in Dallas. He is so much more valuable than the amount of goals he scores. Dallas needs he tenacity, leadership and physical play much more than a guy who seems to be on paper a one dimensional player these days. Gionta is not a bad player but Ott is a MUCH more well rounded player who happens to be younger.

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Ott being a better player is not enough of a reason to prove the trade does not work? Like i have mentioned before Ott is not going to score 30 goals per season and that is fine based off his role in Dallas. He is so much more valuable than the amount of goals he scores. Dallas needs he tenacity, leadership and physical play much more than a guy who seems to be on paper a one dimensional player these days. Gionta is not a bad player but Ott is a MUCH more well rounded player who happens to be younger.
There's nothing wrong with saying Ott is a better role player or fits into dallas better. I just disagree with the notion he's a better player than Gionta, but to each their own. If you strongly believe gionta isn't a leader and is 'one-dimensional' then don't know what to tell you. Best i can do is politely disagree with that.

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There's nothing wrong with saying Ott is a better role player or fits into dallas better. I just disagree with the notion he's a better player than Gionta, but to each their own. If you strongly believe gionta isn't a leader and is 'one-dimensional' then don't know what to tell you. Best i can do is politely disagree with that.
I agree. And I tried that route. Some people need to argue no matter what

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There's nothing wrong with saying Ott is a better role player or fits into dallas better. I just disagree with the notion he's a better player than Gionta, but to each their own. If you strongly believe gionta isn't a leader and is 'one-dimensional' then don't know what to tell you. Best i can do is politely disagree with that.
Perhaps if Dallas had Gionta on their roster and Montreal had Ott then perhaps we would each see if differently idk.

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Perhaps if Dallas had Gionta on their roster and Montreal had Ott then perhaps we would each see if differently idk.
Probably. Perspective changes a lot. I think they are both good players, but gionta isn't a fit in dallas right now.

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