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Shea Weber+Ryan Suter: Are they both going to re-sign?

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03-02-2012, 02:34 PM
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While Suter said he'd test free agency, never said he wanted to leave Nashville.
He will test kick the tires, and assuming we have no reason to believe he's unhappy, will stay if Preds match/are close enough to highest/best offer.

Uncertain what Rangers would offer, would depend on several factors.
Big enough offer from Rangers if long term might be good enough.
Short term offer Wings might be good enough.
Couple of others.

End of day, Suter probably re-signs.


Weber is believed to want to go NW to Vancouver.
If true, maybe only Edmonton competes as to offering him preferred choice of location.

If true, Preds best off cutting deal to highest who will pay for one year remaining, acknowledging min chance he'd resign except at those locations.

Rangers would likely make offer of reasonable overpay, maybe Girardi +.
Others going 1 year push for cap may also make worthy offers.

If untrue, and Weber has other paramount concerns, Preds can take their chances...

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03-02-2012, 03:36 PM
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Actually Detroit is my pick for where Suter will sign. Weber can't sign there til 2013
Det is mine as well for Suter. Some other teams that might be in the mix; Flyers, Caps, Ducks. Just a hunch.

Think Weber stays in NSH. Although they will rightly overpay, the physicality of his style will be a contract albatross towards the end of the deal.

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03-02-2012, 04:07 PM
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FORWARDS
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m)
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/ Colin Wilson ($3.000m)

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Ryan Ellis ($1.440m) / Kevin Klein ($1.350m)
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Ryan Suter ($7.000m)

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Sorry, I just don't see everyone fitting in "easily" as Weber has not shown the desire to take a hometown discount getting 7.5 in arbitration. Maybe my assumptions are a touch high (but I doubt by much) on Suter, Weber, Lindback, & Colin Wilson. I assume they will want to keep the Kostitsyn that is a RFA and he eats up another 3 million or so. That still leaves you 3 forwards short a couple of which probably need to be top 6 (or 9 if you really like your prospects/young kids) and a pair of D one of which has to be a top 4 with 8 million to spend. Things will get real tight real quick if both Suter and Weber reup.

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03-02-2012, 04:12 PM
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I think Weber is going to Vancouver. If Ballard's contract is out of the picture and Weber comes in I could play in net and the Canucks would still win a few cups.
Weber will wait to see what Suter does, if Suter walks, you can be sure Weber is not staying. The team that sticks the most and it's quite evident they NEED him....the Edmonton Oilers. I could see them giving up a ton to get him, and I'm pretty confident he would sign long term there. He would be back in Canada playing for a Western team, pretty close to his hometown in B.C.

If I'm Edmonton and Weber signs another 1 year deal, I would try my hardest to get him.

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03-02-2012, 04:13 PM
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Also everything relies on how they do in the playoffs, if they go out in the first round or second round, I don't see either of them staying long term. This is a huge season for Nashville. If one goes, the other is probably going too

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Also Edmonton could easily get rid of Horcoff and give Weber the captaincy. He is the perfect fit for the Oilers. I can see it happening.

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Edmonton has as much of a chance to get Suter/Weber as the Isles or Columbus do. Slim to none.

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03-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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if Suter walks, you can be sure Weber is not staying.
why?

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03-02-2012, 04:29 PM
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While Suter said he'd test free agency, never said he wanted to leave Nashville.
When did he say this? Do you have a link, because this is the first I have heard of it.

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Sorry, I just don't see everyone fitting in "easily"
Colin Wilson MAY command $3m, but I doubt it. There is no way Lindback gets $2.5m I don't see Weber getting $8m, but I guess it's possible. Suter at $7m is what I expect. Both of them have said that it isn't about the money. The money is being offered. It's about making sure the team is committed to spending long term in order to be successful. They want to play their prime years for a team legitimately challenging for the Cup every year.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Craig Smith ($0.715m)
Patric Hornqvist ($3.083m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Colin Wilson ($2.500m)
Matt Halischuk ($0.712m) / Gabriel Bourque ($0.618m) / Chris Mueller ($0.550m)
Jordin Tootoo ($2.000m) / Nick Spaling ($1.050m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Ellis ($1.440m) / Kevin Klein ($1.350m)
Roman Josi ($1.000m) / Shea Weber ($7.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Jonathon Blum ($0.941m)

GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($7.000m) / Anders Lindback ($1.250m)

BUYOUTS: J.P. Dumont ($1.333m) / Brett Lebda ($0.466m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,710,832; BONUSES: $725,000
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $10,589,168

Seems to me Nashville can give Weber $7.5m, Suter $7m, Wilson a short contract at $2.5m so he can show consistency (or give him the $3m since it doesn't really matter), and have plenty of room to fill that last forward spot with room to spare. If the cap goes up it just makes it easier. As for players coming off of ELCs, Fisher and Hornqvist are both coming off of the books next summer. Legwand the season after that. Erat after that. The money is there. The team is young. There are prospects still waiting.

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Det is mine as well for Suter. Some other teams that might be in the mix; Flyers, Caps, Ducks. Just a hunch.

Think Weber stays in NSH. Although they will rightly overpay, the physicality of his style will be a contract albatross towards the end of the deal.
I would also throw Chicago into the mix to land Suter ,his dad played there and they could use him badly

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Don't forget the Radulov wild card. 1 year at $975,000


Personally I believe Suter walks after July 1, and Weber is dealt at the trade deadline if the Preds are out of it.

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I would also throw Chicago into the mix to land Suter ,his dad played there and they could use him badly
Not a chance that Chicago could fit him in without alot of salary dumps.

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They want to play their prime years for a team legitimately challenging for the Cup every year.
A team with a self imposed cap isn't going to be that with nearly half of payroll tied up in 3 players that don't score goals.

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A team with a self imposed cap isn't going to be that with nearly half of payroll tied up in 3 players that don't score goals.
As been stated 100s of times, Nashville will be close to a cap team next season.

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A team with a self imposed cap isn't going to be that with nearly half of payroll tied up in 3 players that don't score goals.
Considering our new owners said that we'll have $21 mill. tied up in all three of them I definitely think we'll be able to handle it.

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Not a chance that Chicago could fit him in without alot of salary dumps.
After how this team has preformed this year i would expect some movement ,if they have a chance they can make room

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Its not an either or, its both or neither.

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there is no way you let weber go anywhere.

however

he would look so much better wearing orange in philly

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Its not an either or, its both or neither.
No, it's not. They are individuals, and only one is a UFA.

However, my speculation is that neither will be Predators 2 years from today.

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there is no way you let weber go anywhere.

however

he would look so much better wearing orange in philly
Nope sens red ,being set up on the PP for one time blast,s from EK

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I think if Nashville makes the conference finals, Suter resigns for 3 years, $18.75 million.

Edit: If they win the cup on the other hand, double it and get used to him and Weber in yellow.
6.25 million/year on only a 3 year deal? no way that happens. that's ridiculously low. only way you get a cap hit that low is if it's a significantly longer contract.

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Its not an either or, its both or neither.
Again, why? People keep saying this with no reasoning behind it.

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If all they're looking for is a "commitment to winning" by the higher-ups, I think that's been shown at every level.

The coaches crafted a deadly PP this year in order to combat the "Nashville has no scoring" problem. They did this without compromising their trademark defensive game.

The GM did more to combat the scoring problem by acquiring pretty much every forward he could find at the TD.

The ownership showed they're willing to pay big money for the best players with the Rinne contract.

If Suter/Weber don't think Nashville is "committed to winning" at this point, then that wasn't their real reason and they were planning on leaving Music City no matter what happened.


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I still believe that if we can keep one of the big two and deal the other for something useful and pick up a decent defender on the cheap we won't have any problems. No way we let both go, otherwise we'll always be known as "that team that do well despite having no star players" or "the farm team for all the real teams".

Part of me believes that if we can't sign either long term then Poile should get the can, but I know that's unlikely.

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How high are the chances of a team sending a ridiculous offer sheet that forces Nashville to sign Weber to the max?
I know of the danger of retaliation and unwritten rules, but is it that far fetched for, let's say Detroit to offer max to get Weber to sign?

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