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11-07-2004, 04:56 AM
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Cincy/Philadelphia 11/7/04

Sunday, November 7 at Philadelphia, 5:05 p.m.
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11-07-2004, 08:34 PM
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3-1 loss. http://www.theahl.com/SlamScoreboard/ahl-frameset.html

Joel Perrault with the only Duck goal(powerplay). Assists to Brookbank and Lupul.

lots of pims in this one: Including Stan Chistov dropping the gloves!!!

Philadelphia - Ryan Ready - (Instigator), 2 min, 1:06
Philadelphia - Ryan Ready - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 1:06
Philadelphia - Ryan Ready - (Fighting (Instigator) Misconduct), 10 min, 1:06
Cincinnati - Aaron Rome - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 1:06

Cincinnati - Sheldon Brookbank - (Elbowing), 2 min, 14:32
Cincinnati - Sheldon Brookbank - (Roughing), 2 min, 14:32
Cincinnati - Sheldon Brookbank - (Misconduct Misconduct), 10 min, 14:32
Philadelphia - Riley Cote - (Instigator), 2 min, 14:32
Philadelphia - Riley Cote - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 14:32
Philadelphia - Riley Cote - (Fighting (Instigator) Misconduct), 10 min, 14:32
Cincinnati - Sean OConnor - (Third Man In Game Misconduct) (13(c)), 10 min, 14:32
Cincinnati - Dustin Penner - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 14:32
Philadelphia - Wade Skolney - (Boarding Major), 5 min, 14:32
Philadelphia - Wade Skolney - (Game Misconduct Game Misconduct) (), 10 min, 14:32

Philadelphia - Ben Eager - (Unsportsmanlike Conduct), 2 min, 17:12
Philadelphia - Ben Eager - (Roughing), 2 min, 17:12
Philadelphia - Ben Eager - (Roughing), 2 min, 17:12
Cincinnati - Kurtis Foster - (Roughing), 2 min, 17:12
Cincinnati - Tomas Malec - (Spearing Double Minor), 4 min, 17:12
Cincinnati - Stanislav Chistov - (High Sticking), 2 min, 18:47
Cincinnati - Stanislav Chistov - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 18:47
Philadelphia - Mark Murphy - (Roughing), 2 min, 18:47
Cincinnati - Shane OBrien - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 18:47
Cincinnati - Shane OBrien - (Fighting (Secondary) Game Misconduct) (56(f)), 10 min, 18:47
Philadelphia - Ryan Ready - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 18:47
Philadelphia - Ryan Ready - (Fighting (Secondary) Game Misconduct) (56(f)), 10 min, 18:47
Philadelphia - Patrick Sharp - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 18:47
Philadelphia - Josh Gratton - (Instigator), 2 min, 19:46
Philadelphia - Josh Gratton - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 19:46
Philadelphia - Josh Gratton - (Fighting (Instigator) Misconduct), 10 min, 19:46
Cincinnati - Zenon Konopka - (Roughing), 2 min, 19:46
Cincinnati - Zenon Konopka - (Roughing), 2 min, 19:46
Cincinnati - Aaron Rome - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 19:46
Philadelphia - Jeff Smith - (Roughing), 2 min, 19:46
Philadelphia - Jeff Smith - (Roughing), 2 min, 19:46

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11-07-2004, 10:32 PM
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who won?

anyone know how Chistov won in the fight? I know that he has shown at the NHl level he isn't afraid to take on the more intimidating opponents and wouldn't that be cool if when the Nhl starts if he has got more of a mean streak to go along with Getzlaf's style of play and Perry's? You know what? I still don't know if I would put Chistov in the lineup when the Nhl starts? Who else is with me on that? I mean, his first season he showed promise. But then again, he played along side a sniper like Thomas. Put him next to a sniper (Wing, not center like Federov) like Heatley and he would probably do better. As much as I would hate to lose a Duck, I would like to see Chistov go to somewhere like Atlanta. I want to see Chistov have the best career possible and I think going somewhere like Atlanta, in another Conference, would really make Chistov into an All-star caliber player, especially playing with arguable "two" of the best players in the league. Chistov would probably put up 20 goals. I just don't see Anaheim as for him. Anaheim needs a player that will play even when the game is boring. It seems Chistov only plays when the game has a little spice to it, like when it is against a rivalry or something. But I see Anaheim doing better by going with a player like Glencross, who would be awesome. Then again, Glencross and Chistov on the same line would be pretty sweet. Now, There are only 9 spots for the top 3 lines of forwards. Who would you guys put to be on the top 3 lines? Also, you know what I think they should do? I think the Ducks should put Federov and Ruchin on the same line. I really don't care if Ruchin has never played wing before. By the time the team starts playing again, the team will want a faster center anyways, to go along with Federov's speed. Pahlsson is pretty fast, but Andy McDonald could always be an option (would have to have a career year), or Getzlaf could probably easily take the place of Ruchin. I say this because there was a time last year where Ruchin and Federov were on the same line (it might have been 4 on 4 situation), but let me tell you, that line was awesome. I remember noticing how when Federov seemed to play so much better with Ruchin on the line. It is almost like how he would play if he was on Yserman's line in Detroit. Anyways, here is the list of players. Who would you take for top 9?

1. Federov
2. Ruchin
3. Sykora
4. Niedermeyer
5.Leclerc
6. Lupul
7.Pahlsson
8.Chistov
9.Glencross
10.Getzlaf
11.Perry
12.McDonald Note: All 12 are top 9 material, so what 3 would you leave out of the lineup?

As for me, I would leave the following off the roster: Leclerc, Chistov, McDonald
I know this might be shocking for a lot of people. But lets look at it this way. If you could choose between these two lines as of which you would be more scared to play against, which would you choose?

-Leclerc -McDonald -Chistov

or

-Glencross -Getzlaf -Perry (I'd say that as a third line, I would pick the first one if it were not for the fact that Leclerc's knees are un-reliable. And, McDonald is concussion-prone. Plus, Chistov doesn't seem to always give the best effort. Glencross would do the dirty work in the corners, Getzlaf would be the set-up guy, and Perry would be the scorer. Glencross would also be scoring lots of goals too. I think that if they could be the FIRST LINE for the rookie tournament, then they could defintely be the THIRD LINE for the actual team.


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lots of pims in this one: Including Stan Chistov dropping the gloves!!!
Kids frustrated, I feel bad for him.

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“Once you start winning, its like a disease and you don’t want to lose again.” - Ducks center Zenon Konopka.

They must be having withdrawls...

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Clips of 3 of the fights. The first Ryan Ready fight was due to a hit put on Sharp. In the brawl, the Phantoms involved are Cote (who gets jumped by a 3rd man in) and Skolney who put the original check on.

Chistov ends up challenging a tied up Sharp. Sharp breaks off with his original man and they both go buckets off. Neither really land anything, but Sharp throws a few. Chistov threw a couple but it's obvious he isn't very experienced. Sharp, while not exactly a fighter, got into a few scraps last year because the Flyers organization told Sharp he'd have a better chance to make it to the NHL if he developed a physical game. He's been in a total of 6 fights in his life because he was a college player, so he has experience and obviously knows what he's doing better Chistov, but he's a good matchup for a nonfighter to gain experience.

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Great too see Chistov show some aggression like that even taking off his lid.

Rome as well

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Atta boy Chistov: showed more guts than many other NHLers of the big club.
Chistov challenges Sharp, take his helmet off and shoves him, then Sharp land one or two punches, but Stan throw one that land and they both fall down and Cheesy throw another couple of punches. I would call it a solid draw and a gooooood showing by a game Chistov.

In all this Lupul watch the scraps without dropping or even keeping any Phantom player. WTF? Is he a man only with the power players?


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At least the Cincy BabyDucks stick up for eachother unlike the Anaheim Ducks.

O'Connor jumping into the other fight was pretty cool.

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In all this Lupul watch the scraps without dropping or even keeping any Phantom player. WTF? Is he a man only with the power players?
I noticed this too...I'm starting to become less of a fan of Lupul now...

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I noticed when i was in Cincinnati for the first few home games ...that Lupul looked disgusted with all the fighting...
Also he didnt even watch a few of the fights and proceeded to shake his head and talk to another player...

wonder whats up his butt...

I am a big fan of Lupul...but his attitude is starting to gride with me...

But while he seems not to agree with the fights...he has been more physical as of late...who konws...

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I think hes more concerned with winning.

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I think hes more concerned with winning.
Which clearly doesn't fit in with the philosophy of the Ducks brass.

I see him dealt for an overpriced Euro whenever the season restarts.

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Well at least some of our guys show some emotion...

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I think hes more concerned with winning.
...and with all the points he's scoring I don't tend to agree with you.

He was supposed to be a scoring machine in the AHL but what I see is few points, no passion and a lot of losses.

But yeah, at least he isn't a euro whimp who is afraid of fight

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I think hes more concerned with winning.



He cant concentrate on both?

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I think hes more concerned with winning.
save that comment for when he actually starts scoring.

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I think hes more concerned with winning.
I think he is more concerned with hot tubs. Just hope he realizes if he should get in a jam not to look for his teammates to come to his rescue.

That is one guy who needs a reality check. I guess he was out when they had the lecture on sportsmanship and teams sticking together.

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I guess he was out when they had the lecture on sportsmanship and teams sticking together.
...with one of the power players...

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[QUOTE=nnifeerj]I noticed when i was in Cincinnati for the first few home games ...that Lupul looked disgusted with all the fighting...
Also he didnt even watch a few of the fights and proceeded to shake his head and talk to another player...





WOW thats shamefull. If true i lost alot of respect for him

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I must admit that I don't like this fact too.
WTF? He was supposed to be a physical player (at least more than Chistov) and hopefully a power forward despite the size (like Owen Nolan), now I think he wanna become a Sykora type player, basically a sniper.
Oh well, he's in a slump anyway.

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Hey Im not saying Im not disgusted with it either.

But judging from the descriptions of his reactions to fights he sounds like the type of player that sees them as an un-needed annoyance and would rather the game get started again so he can get out on the ice and score some goals/win the game.
(which I realise he hasnt been doing). I think its safe to say he isnt bonding with the team very well.

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Hey Im not saying Im not disgusted with it either.

But judging from the descriptions of his reactions to fights he sounds like the type of player that sees them as an un-needed annoyance and would rather the game get started again so he can get out on the ice and score some goals/win the game.
(which I realise he hasnt been doing). I think its safe to say he isnt bonding with the team very well.


Its part of team unity to cheer your teamates on during fights and him getting annoyed goes against all that.
When he was drafted ive heard comparisons to Bill Guerin but after watching him play i dont see it.

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Bill Guerin use to get pummeled all the time so I think a better comparison to him is Perry.
Another good comparison for Perry could be Keith TkaCHOKE (and I REALLY hope I'm making a mistake)

With all the leadership and PIMS he gets, I think that a good comparison to Getzlaf could be a Keith Primeau-like player with (way) better scoring abilities.

Lupul instead act more like Mario Lemieux when it comes the time to fight... (but he has only the 0,0001% of the class Mario has) Sincerly I can't think about a good comparison for Lupul now.

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Lupul's a scorer.

Sorry if he doesn't feel like gooning it up. How many of you saw this horrible event unfold???

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