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04-09-2012, 01:18 PM
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Montreal and Edmonton at the draft

To Edmonton: Jarred Tinordi + Nathan Beaulieu
To Montreal: 2nd overall draft pick in 2012

Montreal drafts

2nd overall: Ryan Murray
3rd overall: Mikhael Grigorenko or Alex Glachenyuk

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Gionta - Plekanec - Grigorenko/Galchenyuk*
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc
Geoffrion - White - Moen

Markov - Murray
Gorges - Subban
St-Denis - Emelin

Price

*Grigorenko or Galchenyuk at right wing until we make room at centre through a trade etc.

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Not nearly enough for the 2nd overall. Yes we need D, but why wouldn't we just take Murray who has a higher ceiling than what you're offering?

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Zero chance that Edmonton would make that deal.

Swap out of of the two for Subban

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Rather have the two D than 2nd overall right now. Yes, you can get a talented player and yada yada, but bealieau and tinordi will likely be top 4 d as well and they will be in the pros next year. I'd rather stick to that for now.

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To Edmonton: Jarred Tinordi + Nathan Beaulieu
To Montreal: 2nd overall draft pick in 2012

Montreal drafts

2nd overall: Ryan Murray
3rd overall: Mikhael Grigorenko or Alex Glachenyuk

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Gionta - Plekanec - Grigorenko/Galchenyuk*
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc
Geoffrion - White - Moen

Markov - Murray
Gorges - Subban
St-Denis - Emelin

Price

*Grigorenko or Galchenyuk at right wing until we make room at centre through a trade etc.
Edm counters with:

Tyler Pitlick, Jeff Petry for 3rd overall. The value is comparable, but doesn't seem as fair anymore.

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Edm counters with:

Tyler Pitlick, Jeff Petry for 3rd overall. The value is comparable, but doesn't seem as fair anymore.
I don't see how these two guys match Bealieau and Tinordi. I get the point you were trying to make, but it's not close.

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I don't see how these two guys match Bealieau and Tinordi. I get the point you were trying to make, but it's not close.
It be more like oscar kelfbom + magnus paajarvi for 3rd overall, would you do it?

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It be more like oscar kelfbom + magnus paajarvi for 3rd overall, would you do it?
Agreed, that is a little generous, but it's certainly more accurate than the previous counter. I would not and never said edmonton would

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Habs are better off keeping Tinordi and Beaulieu. Both Tinordi and Beaulieu are on track and will be in the AHL next season (unless one of them makes the jump). They also bring diverse skillsets (one is a defensive d-man the other offensive). Its not like we have an abundance of either in the pipeline.

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Rather have the two D than 2nd overall right now. Yes, you can get a talented player and yada yada, but bealieau and tinordi will likely be top 4 d as well and they will be in the pros next year. I'd rather stick to that for now.
When people say "top 4" what they really mean is "second pairing" Thats the upside of Tinordi, and Bealieu. The Oilers already have Kelfbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil, Blain, Davidson, and Tuebert with "top four" aka 2nd pairing potential. Murray has top pairing potential.

Not a chance from the Oilers. Like another poster said: "would you trade Kelfbom, and Paajarvi for 3rd overall? probably not

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Habs are better off keeping Tinordi and Beaulieu. Both Tinordi and Beaulieu are on track and will be in the AHL next season (unless one of them makes the jump). They also bring diverse skillsets (one is a defensive d-man the other offensive). Its not like we have an abundance of either in the pipeline.
I agree. Habs don't have the luxury to trade quantity for quality. Tinordi and beaulieu will both be top 4 d-men with different skillsets that the habs can use. They will even likely get a few games in as soon as next year. While murray will likely be the better player, habs have a very weak prospect pool as their key pieces pretty much all graduated. They need to restock with diverse skillsets and the habs having 3rd overall and a few 2nd rounders in next two years should provide the habs with some diversity. Maybe after that, when the current vet core(gionta, gomez, kaberle, cole, markov) reach UFA status the habs will seek some extra quality, but for now, habs need a little bit of everything for the future.

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I wonder how Murray would rank in last year's draft? Would he have been the highest drafted d-man in that draft? (ahead of Larsson?)

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When people say "top 4" what they really mean is "second pairing" Thats the upside of Tinordi, and Bealieu. The Oilers already have Kelfbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil, Blain, Davidson, and Tuebert with "top four" aka 2nd pairing potential. Murray has top pairing potential.

Not a chance from the Oilers. Like another poster said: "would you trade Kelfbom, and Paajarvi for 3rd overall? probably not
I responded and said if I were oilers I wouldn't either.

The upside of beaulieu isn't 2nd pairing. His upside is 1st pairing. I went conservative. He's listed as the habs #1 prospect. Habs were very pleased to get him at 17th overall. Many felt he slid down a few spots and should've been higher. Does this justify trading for him? of course not, but all i'm saying is his upside isn't marginal.

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I wonder how Murray would rank in last year's draft? Would he have been the highest drafted d-man in that draft? (ahead of Larsson?)
Doubt it. I don't know if Murray would've been ahead of Hamilton either, but I don't know much about Murray.

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I wonder how Murray would rank in last year's draft? Would he have been the highest drafted d-man in that draft? (ahead of Larsson?)
Probably 2nd highest D in the draft. Larsson was debated to be potential 1st overall.

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Edmonton gets shafted. This should be interesting...

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Edmonton gets shafted. This should be interesting...
not really, most openly admit edmonton doesn't do it.

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not really, most openly admit edmonton doesn't do it.
I think you've done your best at "damage control"

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I don't see how these two guys match Bealieau and Tinordi. I get the point you were trying to make, but it's not close.
wrong. those montreal prospects are ****.

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I don't see how these two guys match Bealieau and Tinordi. I get the point you were trying to make, but it's not close.
It's fairly similar. Petry is the best defenseman, he's already a solid top 4 guy with top pairing potential. Bealieau is overrated IMO and is only a slightly better prospect than Pitlick.

Klefbom is the top prospect in the conversation, there is a reason he was an all star at the WJC. Paajarvi is a better prospect too. This isn't about the same thing at all, it's better.

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It's fairly similar. Petry is the best defenseman, he's already a solid top 4 guy with top pairing potential. Bealieau is overrated IMO and is only a slightly better prospect than Pitlick.

Klefbom is the top prospect in the conversation, there is a reason he was an all star at the WJC. Paajarvi is a better prospect too. This isn't about the same thing at all, it's better.
So basically all the Oiler prospects mentioned > Beaulieu/Tinordi as seen from your blue/gold glasses.

Beaulieu = overrated and slightly better than Pitlick? Good god.

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Montreal need to trade down to draft another Subban.

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Probably 2nd highest D in the draft. Larsson was debated to be potential 1st overall.
Murray being an older birthday was discussed at the draft a lot last year, most felt he would have more offense by now and would have been in conversation for 1st overall. There was certainly those who would have taken him over Larsson.

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It's fairly similar. Petry is the best defenseman, he's already a solid top 4 guy with top pairing potential. Bealieau is overrated IMO and is only a slightly better prospect than Pitlick.

Klefbom is the top prospect in the conversation, there is a reason he was an all star at the WJC. Paajarvi is a better prospect too. This isn't about the same thing at all, it's better.
I wouldn't do Tyler Pitlick & Jeff Petry for Tinordi and beaulieu. Probably edmonton fans wouldn't either, but I'm good with these two prospects. If you feel otherwise, that's fine too.

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